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can Antes be ignored if we are HU in a big mtt?

or does it significantly change our range? (i dunno antes are kinda small when HU, so pls answer^^)

i don't play mtt or hu with antes but imo should go something like:
[ ( big blind + small blind + antes ) / 3 ] * 2 = x
then... smaller stack / x = eff. stacks in bbs
from there you should act accordingly

was a little curious about this so i looked into it. 10BB effective shove/fold game w/ 1/4BB antes has solution

SB shove: 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q2s+,J2s+,T3s+,95s+,84s+,74s+,63s+,5 3s+,43s,A2o+,K2o+,Q3o+,J7o+,T7o+,97o+,86o+,76o, some of 65o (~66%)

BB call: 22+,A2s+,K2s+,Q3s+,J7s+,T7s+,98s,A2o+,K2o+,Q7o+,J8 o+,T9o, some of Q6o, (~47%)

compare w/ normal blinds shove/fold at 10BB effective: SB shoves ~58% and BB calls ~37%

so, lets see how kasparovskis approximation works out...

[ ( big blind + small blind + antes ) / 3 ] * 2 = 4/3...

so basically, he thinks that SB posting 0.75BB and BB posting 1.25BB is more or less like SB posting 0.666BB and BB posting 1.333BB.

so, the game at 7.5bb effective has equilibrium at

sb shove ~64%, bb call ~47%

so hey, better than i would have thought, and probably even better w/ smaller antes.

Thanks, nice content!

Hi, i wanna know if this last chart is in bb´s or in small blinds?



And a last cuestion.

Nash gives you the way to push when you have some efective stack. And no matter what do your opponent, he can only be ev0 with you. If he calls always with AA, he will lose or be ev0 because he will loose a lot with all his folds.

Ok thats good.

But I dont understand whats the diferent with chubukov. I mean. Chubukov gives you the stack max where if you are under it you can push this and and never be wrong..... even if he knows your hand.

So whats difference? I´ve read all pages but i dont see a final answer.

Thanks

Chubukov gives your best shovefold strategy if villain knows your hand. Nash gives your best strategy if he knows your range

... and assuming Villain uses that info correctly, of course.

But even if doesn't know, it would never be ev-. Obvious could be more ev+ strategies but it couldn't be ev-

i'm not quite sure what you're refering to.

I mean that even if villain doesn't know your range or your hand, Nash its still good because it only can be ev0 if you push right like Nash charts

depends on the stack depth.

at 20bb it's very -ev

at around 8bb it starts being better than 0.

(nash that is, playing push/fold chubukov is always awful)

if you're shoving Nash, Villain can only decrease his average expectation by deviating from the Nash calling ranges.

that said, certainly some of your individual shoving hands could become less profitable (and perhaps even worse than open-folding) while others became more profitable.

having a Nash chart doesn't mean you don't need to think about exploitative play.

I think of it like this:

If Chubukov says it's a jam, you're making a mistake if you open fold.