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hotmark777 · 05-26-2012, 01:38 PM

I am sorry if this has been posted before but i made a search and couldnt come up with an answer

are the ev calculations correct in HEM?

if i have 75 k in winnings and ev says 90k does that mean i am running 15k under ev? are the calculations accurate and do they say i have been running unluckily?

pavels4444 · 05-26-2012, 01:45 PM

not sure if serious??

if you have 75k winnings, you should have probably figured by now how the EV works in HEM

hotmark777 · 05-26-2012, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pavels4444

not sure if serious??

if you have 75k winnings, you should have probably figured by now how the EV works in HEM

can u answer the question and not be a smart ass?

thanks

**_dave_** · 05-26-2012, 10:06 PM

In general, yes HEM EV results are trustworthy. There were some issues in early hem2 versions IIRC, not sure I only use hem1.

You can manually check them for yourself on a few games if you have your doubts. when you look at a single game in hem, it shows a column "EV diff" for hands where allin EV calculations have been made. you can check the math on these few hands with pokerstove to make sure it's OK. then sum the EV diff, the difference of the sum to winning a husng (e.g. 1000 chips for a hyper) gives you the amount under/over EV it thinks you have run, so if you are -100 ev diff over the sum of hands for a $1000 hyper hu sng, it should give an EV adjusted winnings of $900 (rake not counted by me for easy math, it is counted in hem ofc). Check these numbers are correct for a few SNGs, especially ones with a large difference. Then you can be satisfied you have proven the results of HEM EV calcs for yourself.

Yes green line winnings of $75k, redline EV winnings of $90k means you are $15k "unlucky". The confidence in the results though of course depends on sample size. If you've been playing $5k husng, an EV diff of -$15k can easily happen over 10 games. If you have that same result over 20K $100 hypers, yeah that's quite unlucky!

If still unsure what it means, post the graph!

hotmark777 · 05-27-2012, 06:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _dave_

In general, yes HEM EV results are trustworthy. There were some issues in early hem2 versions IIRC, not sure I only use hem1.

You can manually check them for yourself on a few games if you have your doubts. when you look at a single game in hem, it shows a column "EV diff" for hands where allin EV calculations have been made. you can check the math on these few hands with pokerstove to make sure it's OK. then sum the EV diff, the difference of the sum to winning a husng (e.g. 1000 chips for a hyper) gives you the amount under/over EV it thinks you have run, so if you are -100 ev diff over the sum of hands for a $1000 hyper hu sng, it should give an EV adjusted winnings of $900 (rake not counted by me for easy math, it is counted in hem ofc). Check these numbers are correct for a few SNGs, especially ones with a large difference. Then you can be satisfied you have proven the results of HEM EV calcs for yourself.

Yes green line winnings of $75k, redline EV winnings of $90k means you are $15k "unlucky". The confidence in the results though of course depends on sample size. If you've been playing $5k husng, an EV diff of -$15k can easily happen over 10 games. If you have that same result over 20K $100 hypers, yeah that's quite unlucky!

If still unsure what it means, post the graph!

Thank you very much, much appreciated. sorry tried filtering and only posting graphs for hu sng however i wasnt able to... yes i am pretty much a noob with software

basically after a few more games it is now reading winning 85k net winnings -16k ev 98 k

pho · 05-27-2012, 06:39 PM

you should keep in mind that the ev of the 4men hu sngs isnt calculated right, just in case you are playing them too