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10-05-2010, 05:46 PM
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#106
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enthusiast
Join Date: Oct 2010
Posts: 96
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
This hand just happened:
Full Tilt Poker $5 + $0.25 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked
BB: t1510 75.50 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1490 74.50 BBs
Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with Q  T
Hero raises to t60, BB calls t40
Flop: (t120) 4  J  K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB raises to t180, Hero raises to t1430 all in
Is this super standard, or am I total donk? It feels like getting it in on flop with an open ender should be standard - we're behind any made hand equity-wise, but I think the fold equity makes this +ev right? I mean say we must make our straight to win (and ignoring the possibility of our Q being good if we pair it). We have a 32% chance of making it by the river... if we expect him to fold at least 18% of the time in this situation it's +ev right?
This is without any strong reads that say he only checkraises with the nuts and thus will never ever fold. And even then, it might still be +ev to get it in because people do random crazy **** (especially at this stake)?
Last edited by GreatBlue; 10-05-2010 at 05:52 PM.
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10-06-2010, 03:32 AM
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#107
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grinder
Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: bouncing around in my Jeep
Posts: 640
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
don't forget that at that stake, people will call with any pair. basically, you're right that you can shove hands like that when FE makes it +EV to do so
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10-06-2010, 03:51 AM
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#108
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adept
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: I love the game, I love the competi
Posts: 703
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
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Originally Posted by jacket882
is there any good post about check raising? I checked the FAQ but I don't think there is one specifically on this unless I missed it
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http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58...boards-454044/
This thread is about a year old but still has some tidbits of good info
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10-06-2010, 04:45 AM
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#109
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old hand
Join Date: Dec 2009
Location: New Jersey
Posts: 1,378
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
I'm thinking of retiring from reg speeds and playing turbos exclusively. I work a full time job and at this rate, with the 35 minute games and all, my bankroll is too slowly inching forward. I also feel the faster structure fits my game better. I was wondering if anyone can point me to any threads discussing the in-game differences. I'm already familiar with Nash and such. I'm just talking about general changes I need to make considering the quickly ascending blinds. Any transition threads out there?
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10-06-2010, 06:55 AM
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#110
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adept
Join Date: May 2009
Posts: 1,151
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
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Originally Posted by GreatBlue
This hand just happened:
Full Tilt Poker $5 + $0.25 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players
2+2 Hand Converter Powered By DeucesCracked
BB: t1510 75.50 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1490 74.50 BBs
Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with Q  T
Hero raises to t60, BB calls t40
Flop: (t120) 4  J  K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB raises to t180, Hero raises to t1430 all in
Is this super standard, or am I total donk? It feels like getting it in on flop with an open ender should be standard - we're behind any made hand equity-wise, but I think the fold equity makes this +ev right? I mean say we must make our straight to win (and ignoring the possibility of our Q being good if we pair it). We have a 32% chance of making it by the river... if we expect him to fold at least 18% of the time in this situation it's +ev right?
This is without any strong reads that say he only checkraises with the nuts and thus will never ever fold. And even then, it might still be +ev to get it in because people do random crazy **** (especially at this stake)?
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I think calling is better this deep.
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10-06-2010, 09:40 AM
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#111
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grinder
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 463
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
Quote:
Originally Posted by t1lt
I think calling is better this deep.
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What's your plan on a non A or 9 turn? A heart on turn gives us essentially same equity as we have on the flop where a non heart cuts our equity drastically. Just curious.
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10-06-2010, 11:45 AM
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#112
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journeyman
Join Date: Mar 2009
Posts: 334
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
Poker Stars $5.00+$0.25 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
Hero (BTN/SB): t1720 57.33 BBs
BB: t1280 42.67 BBs
Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with A  T
Hero raises to t60, BB raises to t120, Hero calls t60
Flop: (t240) 3  Q  3 (2 players)
BB bets t150, Hero raises to t480
He was tight pre especially OOP, this was maybe the third hand he re-raised with pre. I had folded quit much against his 1/2 potsized cbets when I were OOP.
This hand I though that he would either fold or call with A3 pre so the only 3's he could have was 33 but I doubt he would re-raise with that hand. The only Q's he would raise pre are AQ, QQ and maybe KQ.
I'm afraid of QQ, AQ, KQ, AA, AA
Not sure if he would go further with a smaller PP.
Am I stupid?
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10-06-2010, 01:37 PM
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#113
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enthusiast
Join Date: Sep 2010
Location: the Mediterranean
Posts: 83
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
Villain seemed like a pretty straightforward player, he was taking long to play I think he was multitabling.. he was limping his junk and raising all his semi-decent cards. He called any raise with anything but junk. Any comments please on these 2 hands?
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10-06-2010, 02:18 PM
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#114
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,983
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
I'd call the flop in hand 1 and raise in hand 2. Lots of hands that will call us there.
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10-06-2010, 02:44 PM
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#115
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: I beat 50NL, do not argue with me!
Posts: 8,984
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
hand 1 just call flop imo; hand 2 i think i play it the same
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10-06-2010, 02:56 PM
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#116
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,983
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
Why are you not raising the flop? Do you think most of his range is weighed towards weak showdownpotentail and not J's and draws? I have no idea what an average player's mindonk range is tbh.
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10-06-2010, 03:33 PM
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#117
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Carpal \'Tunnel
Join Date: Oct 2008
Location: I beat 50NL, do not argue with me!
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
by draws you mean a gutter right? we block QT for one side of his straightdraw so our equity vs anything is massive
there's also not that much scarecards for Jx so we will get a lot of value on most turn/river combo's anyway from that
if he has airballz, we can just hope that
1) he either fires again
2) he picks up something on turn that we can get value from (be it a flushdraw or pair)
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10-06-2010, 03:49 PM
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#118
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journeyman
Join Date: Jul 2010
Posts: 350
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
Is there a way one can see the players sitting at the table directly from the lobby instead of opening up the tournament on PS?
I've just started to play on PS and I've used to play on FTP where such a feature is available.
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10-06-2010, 04:42 PM
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#119
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old hand
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 1,983
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
I figured that if we want our opponent's stack we have to raise the flop. If we call the donk and villain check-calls the next 2 streets and we bet 160 and 360 we only get in about half our stack. If we raise the flop however -which doesn't seem all that strong imo since we're facing a mindonk- we can get our stack in by the river. Villain might even shove a small % of the time with a draw (?)
I thought that the value you gain by stacking Jx would be bigger than the bluffs you might induce or the turns that wil improve villain because the pot will be smaller and the mistakes villain makes will cost him less chips. If villain decides to spew after we raise he will also make a bigger mistake (chipwise) than had we just called.
Assuming Jx will always pay you off you lose about 500 chips by flatting the flop. I guess in the end it depends on how big a part Jx is of villain's range and how much chips we win out of the other parts of his range that we would not gain by raising. Tbh I have no clue what either of those values could be.
It is very possible that this post makes no sense at all, but I don't immediately realise why flatting is the better play.
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10-06-2010, 05:59 PM
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#120
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grinder
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: kaluga
Posts: 448
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Re: **** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****
PokerStars No-Limit Hold'em, 31.5 Tournament, 10/20 Blinds (2 handed) - Poker-Stars Converter Tool from FlopTurnRiver.com
BB (t1560)
Hero (SB) (t1440)
Hero's M: 48.00
Preflop: Hero is SB with 10  , Q
Hero bets t60, BB calls t40
Flop: (t120) 3  , 10  , 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB raises to t160, Hero raises to t440, BB calls t280
Turn: (t1000) 2 (2 players)
BB bets t1060 (All-In), Hero calls t940 (All-In)
very first hand vs unknown. Std
Last edited by manefon; 10-06-2010 at 06:11 PM.
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