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Old 10-05-2010, 04:50 AM   #91
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is there any good post about check raising? I checked the FAQ but I don't think there is one specifically on this unless I missed it
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Old 10-05-2010, 06:32 AM   #92
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I was trying to be more aggro but I'm still not very good to pick up good spots for it:

No particular reads on villain - he raised almost every button 3x and also raised a couple of my limps. Post flop it was still quite early to get particular reads.


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BB: t1540 77 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1460 73 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with K J
Hero raises to t60, BB calls t40

Flop: (t120) 8 T Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB calls t60

Turn: (t240) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t240) 7 (2 players)
BB bets t140, Hero raises to t360, BB raises to t1420 all in, Hero folds

I cbet bcos of the draw and he called me. At that point I thought he might be on a straight draw, when the spade came up on turn I checked behind but then thought he was betting some low pair Tx, 8x, 7x or a missed draw. Thought I might scare him off with a raise. Is this wrong? Even if not, is it too small?



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BTN/SB: t1920 96 BBs
Hero (BB): t1080 54 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 9 8
BTN/SB raises to t60, Hero calls t40

Flop: (t120) 9 2 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t80, Hero raises to t220, BTN/SB calls t140

Turn: (t560) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets t800 all in, BTN/SB folds


does this one make any sense how I raised then jammed?
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Old 10-05-2010, 07:31 AM   #93
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fold river on hand 1
don't get why you're jamming in hand 2 tbh,what do you expect him to call with that you beat?
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Old 10-05-2010, 08:00 AM   #94
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A5 ?

you're right
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Old 10-05-2010, 08:54 AM   #95
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is there any good post about check raising? I checked the FAQ but I don't think there is one specifically on this unless I missed it
chicagory post about playing oop.
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Old 10-05-2010, 08:57 AM   #96
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ohh i see anyone have removed it from the sickys !?
its still in the HU cash faq???
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:04 AM   #97
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I think you should watch primordialAA's hu from scratch + any videos from cog dissonance,hookie or rypac.Actually i think every video from stakes 50$ and lower are good to watch.
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:06 AM   #98
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i removed it by just reading like a couple of lines
i think that advice like "In general you don't want to be calling with too much OOP" and "If you choose to call his raise, your decision on the flop is usually going to be check/raise or check/fold." and "opponent limps, and you raise, generally 4x, 4.5x, 5x." are severly outdated and there's not that much value in the topic if you ask me (chicagory agreed with me here)

and using multiple question marks make you look really cool btw
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Old 10-05-2010, 09:47 AM   #99
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thanx for the explain.
when i read about this text again it makes a lot of sense what you said.

do you think i shoult use therese question marks more often?
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Old 10-05-2010, 12:38 PM   #100
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I was trying to be more aggro but I'm still not very good to pick up good spots for it:

No particular reads on villain - he raised almost every button 3x and also raised a couple of my limps. Post flop it was still quite early to get particular reads.


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BB: t1540 77 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1460 73 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BTN/SB with K J
Hero raises to t60, BB calls t40

Flop: (t120) 8 T Q (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB calls t60

Turn: (t240) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t240) 7 (2 players)
BB bets t140, Hero raises to t360, BB raises to t1420 all in, Hero folds

I cbet bcos of the draw and he called me. At that point I thought he might be on a straight draw, when the spade came up on turn I checked behind but then thought he was betting some low pair Tx, 8x, 7x or a missed draw. Thought I might scare him off with a raise. Is this wrong? Even if not, is it too small?



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BTN/SB: t1920 96 BBs
Hero (BB): t1080 54 BBs

Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with 9 8
BTN/SB raises to t60, Hero calls t40

Flop: (t120) 9 2 5 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t80, Hero raises to t220, BTN/SB calls t140

Turn: (t560) 2 (2 players)
Hero bets t800 all in, BTN/SB folds


does this one make any sense how I raised then jammed?


Hand 1: Might be a good place to double barrel as a semi-bluff? It's a really wet board so maybe not, and we aren't even drawing to the nuts, and he probably calls the turn with any decent spade, and it's hard for him to not have a pair or a gutshot at least here... So actually I guess no, not a great place to double barrel.

Imo, just cbet flop, take the free turn card, and hope he checks the river so we can win a showdown with K high I don't think the river raise is THAT bad, and villains will often stab here after you cbet and check the turn, so I think we can expect to take it away some percentage of the time. But it's just really easy for him to have a decent hand that he won't fold here, and I think that's what happened.


Hand 2: I think I like the flop check raise. We expect him to cbet a lot, but if he checks behind we don't mind all that much either. Not sure if check/call is better than check/raise.... When we raise, he may fold his overcards or mid/bottom pairs that we could get more value out of when he double barrels the turn.

I think shoving the turn is pretty horrendous. Unless he thinks we're an aggro monkey, he's never calling with less than a 9, and pretty much any 9 he calls with beats us. I think as played I lead the turn for a little over 1/2 pot.

I think my preferred line would be check/call flop, check/call turn, leading out river if he checked behind turn but check/calling if he bet it.

Maybe I'm losing value here, but I like taking a more passive line in a situation like this (oop, fairly strong made hand on a dry board). We save ourselves chips when we're way behind, and more importantly we get to see how he plays some hands - whether he double/triple barrels, etc.
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:07 PM   #101
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oh ok, so in general as a principle should I be check raising flops depending on what exactly? I'm guessing that I might want to do it when I think he'll just fold if I lead out, when I want to increase the price he pays to see the turn and get more value for my hand, or to make him fold a better hand.. does this make sense? When does it make sense to c/r as a bluff?

sorry for the newbie questions but this is the beginner's thread right?

ps. tnx greatblue for the analysis just saw the post
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:30 PM   #102
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ohh i see anyone have removed it from the sickys !?
its still in the HU cash faq???
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dboy23's Playing OOP in HUSNGs
http://archives1.twoplustwo.com/show...92&an=0&page=0
Yea, Dboy is the man but the article is partially outdated.

At the very least I think we can provide better information now than three years ago when he wrote it.

If you have any general OOP questions just post them in here, there's at least a handful of guys that regularly read and post in this thread that should be able to answer those questions well.

Is the over/under "never" on when the hu cash guys will edit their FAQ?
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:32 PM   #103
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i'll take over "never"
unless they just delete it, since like 90% of url's in there are sng discussions
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Old 10-05-2010, 01:37 PM   #104
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hmm I was reading the callisto / melanie weisner well and it started off cos she had such good profit at the super turbos after 2500 games

talk about variance, she seems to have lost all of it back at the 6000 game mark but guess she's clawing it back now.. but sharkscope has her at 0% ROI

are there any graphs of ppl with super turbos at 10,000+ games that show a good ROI?
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Old 10-05-2010, 03:59 PM   #105
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I'm guessing that I might want to do it when I think he'll just fold if I lead out, ....., or to make him fold a better hand.. does this make sense? When does it make sense to c/r as a bluff?
sounds like you shoult more concentrate on value beating.
that is how you win matches. and not when you try to bluff your opponent
out of every hand. this simply wont work.

checkraising depends on my opponent type.
but in general at the beginning of the match i checkraise only for value TP+.
and to look how he response.
if hes calling your checkraises too light i only use it to get more bets in the pot when i have a good hand. or to protect my hand.
two pair or a set on a ultra wet flop where iam sure my opponent bets when i check.
i do it somtimes as trap when i know my opponent folds when i lead out and i have a good hand.

against agressive players who bet every flop you can checkraise the boards you normaly wanne cbet. but dont overuse it and balance it with value hands too.

against passive players you can do this with low flusdraws couse there is some fold equity.

against player who hate to fold use it to value town them.


hope i havent too much leaks in this advice
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