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Old 07-17-2012, 03:13 AM   #3721
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I found some leak in my OOP game.
I dont really know what to do with those hands like J10o,Q10o...KQs should I raise if villain(normal passiv fish) limps, all his SB-s? If yes, how much at 24BB or more eff. stack. And another question is the c-bet, should we do that normal like in SB?
Raise with those hands to 3.5x and c-bet quite a lot of flops, especially A and K high obv.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:23 AM   #3722
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Disclaimer: I. Am. A. Fish.

You can also raise those hands to 3x imo as it keeps the pot slightly smaller when you're OOP. You likely have a better hand than villain though, so 3.5x is fine if you're ok with OOP play. Definitely cbet as normal on dry boards, you can maybe check-shove draws or hope villain checks behind for a free card, but I'm not certain if this is a good play. Betting may be better, although you would have to fold to a shove generally. I think it would be villain dependent.
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Old 07-17-2012, 07:41 AM   #3723
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Coffeeyay talks about this topic in his last standard video. Hero has AKo OOP 22,8bb deep and raises villain's limp to 3x (60). Coffee did like the raise, but not the sizing. His explanation (and that of Mers) is that we give villain too good odds IP with hands like T8, so a raise to 75 or 80 is better.

But the hands mentioned (JT,QT,KQs) flop better, so maybe a smaller raise is acceptable to keep in dominated holdings.

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Old 07-17-2012, 02:00 PM   #3724
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question about hu sng turbos: so ive noticed that in the 1.5-7$ levels that most players are fish ranging from hyper aggro to loose passive, they rarely fold any kind of gutshots, any pairs, A highs and even k highs and they tend to bet on later streets if u show no aggression & they raise alot of dry boards with and without a hand..... with that said ive been aiming to counter their game by opening about 45% of hands on the btn & playing statically this way vs unknowns until i see that they are either regs or just super loose passives who fold alot....

so the real question is basically is this a solid strat that you guys think should be implemented or do you still like opening atc?, cause i found myself giving up wayyy too much small pots on avg just by opening too many hands when the avg villains r stations at these levels

question #2... when do the avg villain now become less of these type of stationy fish and now are more regulars where opening atc becomes more profitable against?


thanks in advance
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Old 07-17-2012, 06:18 PM   #3725
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question about hu sng turbos: so ive noticed that in the 1.5-7$ levels...
I think you might be on to something here because either I'm constantly running into top of people's ranges or I'm being pushed out of way too many pots just because my villain is stationary and aggressive when I'm not betting. I play $30's and mainly turbos with an occasional free lobby reg speed mixed in (to reduce variance).

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question #2... when do the avg villain now become less of these type of stationy fish and now are more regulars where opening atc becomes more profitable against?
Opening (minraise) ATC becomes profitable when your opponent is playing less than 50% (3-bet + CO combined) out of position.
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Old 07-18-2012, 10:28 AM   #3726
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Coffeeyay talks about this topic in his last standard video. Hero has AKo OOP 22,8bb deep and raises villain's limp to 3x (60). Coffee did like the raise, but not the sizing. His explanation (and that of Mers) is that we give villain too good odds IP with hands like T8, so a raise to 75 or 80 is better.

But the hands mentioned (JT,QT,KQs) flop better, so maybe a smaller raise is acceptable to keep in dominated holdings.
Thats interesting considering the 3betsizings of both of them.
I think we have to feel villain out.
If he c/calls a ton what we´re doing with a raise is buying initiative and preparing an easier all in postflop so 3x should be fine.
But if we can increase the foldequity by raising bigger we should certainly do so,since we wont be enjoying playing ooP most of the time anyway.

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try limping the hands you´re not comfortable raising because there is a lot of thin value to be made against that kind of players.

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Old 07-18-2012, 10:33 AM   #3727
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yeah I'm still experimenting anyway, I've gone back to a default size of 70 >20bb and 60 < 20bb for now. Generally raise to 50-60 with monsters to keep villain in. Playing micros so not worried about being exploited right now
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Old 07-18-2012, 08:10 PM   #3728
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Hi guys,
It is a hand that I played earlier on Ipoker. I cant convert it because I played this game on a different laptop, it is a hand from a 6 max sngo but I have some questions about hot to play this type of hand in husng:
LVL1: blinds 10-20
Hero-SB: A8o raise 60, BB calls
FLOP: 835hhh-> Hero raise 90, BB calls
Turn: 5c-> Hero raise 180, BB calls
River: Kd-> Hero? raise/check?
It is not from a HUSNG game but I find this hand difficult on Turn and River. Villain seemed passive but not so much hands so far. On the Flop we have top pair with no heart on a 3heart flop, I raise Villain calls, now the 5 on he Turn(what to do? he might have a 5 with a heart). I decided to raise again and that K comes on the River. I actually decided to bet 320 in the 760 pot, I thought if checked he might bluff me on that K.
This happens a lot to me in HU with high cards on Turn or/and River and I dont know sometimes what to do, like in this hand.
Now that I think what cards will call my river bet and I can't see anything that Villain would call my bet and haven't me beaten, but I can't check that River either so don't know....

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Old 07-19-2012, 06:18 AM   #3729
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Hi guys,
It is a hand that I played earlier on Ipoker. I cant convert it because I played this game on a different laptop, it is a hand from a 6 max sngo but I have some questions about hot to play this type of hand in husng:
LVL1: blinds 10-20
Hero-SB: A8o raise 60, BB calls
FLOP: 835hhh-> Hero raise 90, BB calls
Turn: 5c-> Hero raise 180, BB calls
River: Kd-> Hero? raise/check?
It is not from a HUSNG game but I find this hand difficult on Turn and River. Villain seemed passive but not so much hands so far. On the Flop we have top pair with no heart on a 3heart flop, I raise Villain calls, now the 5 on he Turn(what to do? he might have a 5 with a heart). I decided to raise again and that K comes on the River. I actually decided to bet 320 in the 760 pot, I thought if checked he might bluff me on that K.
This happens a lot to me in HU with high cards on Turn or/and River and I dont know sometimes what to do, like in this hand.
Now that I think what cards will call my river bet and I can't see anything that Villain would call my bet and haven't me beaten, but I can't check that River either so don't know....
heads up you would be in position and able to check behind comfortably.
I think there is still some value on the river. Some will call you with a pair others bluff with a missed heart. It´s your job to know what´s more likely to happen with that specific opponent.
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Old 07-19-2012, 06:42 AM   #3730
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I think I would bet again, if villain has a king or a flush so be it Maybe I'm a complete donk though.

Alternatively you could check-call the turn and river after getting called on the flop (folding if a 4th heart comes) and turn your hand into a bluffcatcher, although you say villain is passive so betting is probably better.
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Old 07-19-2012, 08:05 AM   #3731
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Has anyone got a mark hand ahk script for PT4?
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Old 07-19-2012, 10:17 AM   #3732
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I'd be very interested to see some takes on this situation.
It's heads up cash but I figure most people are here have good advice.

First hand heads up vs an unknown villain

Effective stacks $40, blinds .25/.50

Villain is BTN and raises to $1.50.
Hero is dealt J J and reraises to $4.50

Aiming to get rid of his air which is pretty likely at this point. JJ never flops well.
Villain calls, no idea with what kind of range

Pot $9

Flop Q T K, hate it and love it

Hero checks, Villain bets $6.50 into $9.

Hero shoves or folds?

So I have 8 outs for the nuts and 2 for a set which is very likely to be good.
If he has K9 or something like that I figured he'd fold it to a shove.

I have blockers for hands like KJ - QJs that he'd probably play like this and would be a disaster to be up against, JTs would be a dream. AK he may have shoved pre and there arent many pairs with an ace that most villains play like this.

I'm almost never ahead when I get called but I do have around 40% equity for the best hand.
I'm don't calculate folding equity but I assume that if he folds 20% of the times here I'm winning.
I assumed he definitely folded 20% here so I jammed.

Criticism is appreciated. It may be a superstandard spot where EV fold is nearly similar to EV shove but I'm not sure.
Can't win if you fold..

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Old 07-19-2012, 11:51 PM   #3733
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I'm building roll on a new site (shorthanded cash and some HU)
Instead of starting at a low limit I like to play heads up with just a 40BB stack. I only play 100BB in games with more people in it to get implied odds for sets and draws.
I find that most players make mistakes in shortstack poker and I get an advantage from it. They either fold to too many of my min raises or they 3bet so often that I have them crushed when the money goes in.
I've been running badly in pre flop all ins and like to play short to avoid the big swings. Haven't been pushed around so far and I reload to 40BB in case it gets too short

Is this exploitable by definition?
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Old 07-19-2012, 11:56 PM   #3734
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am i doing something wrong? is it normal to run so over ev?

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Old 07-20-2012, 06:44 AM   #3735
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^ you're probably doing something wrong, but that's still quite a small sample. Review the hands that you lost ev (in PT4 you can click on the graph, not sure if you can do that in HEM) and try to see if you played badly or just got unlucky (i.e. you pushed kings into aces).
Post some hands on here if you aren't sure of any spots.

ev is just luck, while it isn't 'normal' to run over/under ev, it happens (theoretically it should even out over time I think). The further over/under you run, the less likely it is to happen.
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