**** Beginner's and Low Content Questions Thread****

[ChicagoRy]

You can find the old beginner's thread HERE. Take a moment to search that thread with a few key terms in your question prior to posting, many questions are repeated and have several responses.

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[mela]

So this seems like a new start for HUSNG players.

Let me start off with this question: for those who play turbo HUSNG's both @ Stars and FT, which do you think offers a better format for turbos? In the end it becomes pretty much similar, but I just thought that higher ROI can be attained on Stars just because it gives more rooms for play in the first 10 minutes (10/20 and 15/30)..?

[ChicagoRy]

Originally Posted by mela

So this seems like a new start for HUSNG players.

Let me start off with this question: for those who play turbo HUSNG's both @ Stars and FT, which do you think offers a better format for turbos? In the end it becomes pretty much similar, but I just thought that higher ROI can be attained on Stars just because it gives more rooms for play in the first 10 minutes (10/20 and 15/30)..?

I used to think that Stars offered a higher potential ROI due to the deeper starting stacks (75bb on Stars compared to 50bb on FTP) and the slower time levels (5 minutes blind increases on Stars versus 3 minutes on FTP).

However, I saw a lot of the regulars on Full Tilt achieving similar ROIs (slightly lower but not significantly lower) to the regular players on Stars. This happened almost exclusively at the $55+ buyin levels, but not so much the lower stakes.

Over time I believe this is due to players in the Full Tilt turbo structure developing very solid mid to end game skills. The Full Tilt structure keeps a lot of play in the 10-30bb area and that is an area that non heads up sng players particularly struggle in, as short stacks are not something that comes up in many other structures (at least not heads up).

This theory would explain why the lower stakes turbo players weren't having as high of ROIs in the Full Tilt structure as well, since lower stakes players tend to have less experience and skills than higher stakes professionals.

I think both structures offer a lot of positives and few negatives. For beginner players, Full Tilt's rakeback system will reward you about 2x as much as Stars VIP system will, but you'll be playing a faster structure if you choose the turbo speed games and newer players are less likely to succeed in a faster structure.

For higher stakes players, they can achieve virtually identical effective rakeback from PokerStars VIP program as they can with Full Tilt rakeback. They may find a higher hourly rate possible if they have a strong end game on Full Tilt (faster games and similar ROI = higher hourly rate) but as of now the population of players on PokerStars seems to be greater than Full Tilt at these levels.

It's also worth noting that while different structures (FTP regular speed and Stars turbos are the most similar), the Full Tilt regular speed (6 minute blind increases and starting stacks of 75bb) and PokerStars regular speed (10 minute blind increases and starting stacks of 75bb) structures are excellent choices for newer players, as they allow a lot of time with significant chip stacks for players to develop reads and adjust to their opponents. It's almost certain that you will need to play a faster structure as you approach the $100 buyin levels and higher, however, due to a lack of action in the slower structures.

[spamz]

Yeah, agree. Slightly smaller roi on ftp turbo's than stars but your skillset will also develop differently. In general it means that on ftp you will have a better experience about handranges that don't change abruptly but transition into each other more than on stars.

[Duncelanas]

Hi guys. Loving the new forum Here goes:

I've been having some trouble with a good 3b range in most of my matches ($11 shottaking $22s now on FTP). I feel like if I only 3b strong I'm either getting it in against a v strong villain range or villain will be folding to 3b and I'll be losing value.

If I occasionally 3b medium strength hands I feel like I'll be called a lot when I'm dominated, plus I'm playing big pots oop with mediocre holdings.

If I occasionally 3b weak I feel like I'll be playing fit-or-fold too much, not to mention that even if I hit pretty well I'll have to fold out often because I'll be looking at a lot of 2nd pair or TPWK hands.

What should I do? Any help appreciated

[ChicagoRy]

Originally Posted by Duncelanas

Hi guys. Loving the new forum Here goes:

I've been having some trouble with a good 3b range in most of my matches ($11 shottaking $22s now on FTP). I feel like if I only 3b strong I'm either getting it in against a v strong villain range or villain will be folding to 3b and I'll be losing value.

If I occasionally 3b medium strength hands I feel like I'll be called a lot when I'm dominated, plus I'm playing big pots oop with mediocre holdings.

If I occasionally 3b weak I feel like I'll be playing fit-or-fold too much, not to mention that even if I hit pretty well I'll have to fold out often because I'll be looking at a lot of 2nd pair or TPWK hands.

What should I do? Any help appreciated

First off, I do sense some results oriented mentality in your post.

I think a big step for you to improve in this area would be to take a look at your specific opponent before deciding what to 3bet.

If your opponent is calling very wide (very common at your level), you simply 3bet often for value, with strong hands and you should be confident in knowing that you are going into the flop with a superior hand that will dominate your opponent's hand a lot more often than the other way around. Postflop play will come with some tough decisions against somebody with a wider range, but posting hands in this thread or in the forum as a whole would be the best way to talk about these spots and learn.

If you notice your opponent folding a lot to 3bets, adding in weaker hands that you DO NOT call with OOP is ideal, as you won't be weakening your OOP calling range in the process. In this instance, you base the stronger part of your 3betting range (just because they fold a lot doesn't mean you should just flat call AK) on what they will call and shove with. For example, if you think your opponent only calls or 4bets against your 3bets with 77+ and AK, while folding the rest of his medium opening range, then flat calling AQ would make sense, whereas 3betting QQ as well as Q4 would make sense (AQ is a strong hand but vs his call/4bet range it is not strong, therefore you call instead of value 3bet, QQ is strong enough vs his range to 3bet and stick it in when he doesn't fold, Q4 is too weak to call OOP sometimes, if it is vs this opponent 3betting it is ideal because of the fold equity involved).

There are other examples and player types, but this should be enough to get you started. If it's early in the game and you haven't seen a reaction to a 3bet yet, you can often gauge what your opponent will do based on their tendencies in non 3bet areas of the match.

A follow up question with a specific opponent type/hand might also be beneficial to you.

[rocaerix]

Got a HUSNG.com membership as per recommendation from regs thread. Any particular videos I should watch? I think the main leaks I should work on are playing in 3B pots, playing OOP and when to double barrel IP.

PS I'm really confused as to whether to post this in Regs thread, in LC thread with boobs or in beginners thread.

[Lespar]

hey guys, i play in the microstakes and i've been having trouble with a hyper aggressive opponents.

A few examples are:
1. those that play a push or fold playstyle at around 20BB deep.
2. someone who would randomly push all in 2 times over 3 hands (around 50 BB deep)
3. someone who raised 4BB regardless of how deep we were (about 80% of hands).

It's the last example that is really stuffing me over. In this case I got around 500 chips down, then I tried to 3 bet him light but he just called and continued on his rampage on the flop (I 3/4 pot bet after missing a very dry flop).


Anyway what i've been doing against these guys is basically limping alot and hoping they go agro when i hit but it's not being all that effective.

[Lespar]

Okay this hand was probably played pretty badly on my part but i'm really more interested in the turn.
This player seems to be extremely tight (check calling top pair) but he has pulled a move similar to this once or twice before.
I've also been pretty aggresive with my playstyle and that has backfired on me once already (so he knows i'm playing aggresively).

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.09 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 956011
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN/SB): t2900 29 BBs
BB: t3100 31 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BTN/SB with J 8
Hero calls t50, BB checks

Flop: (t200) 7 J 3 (2 players)
BB bets t100, Hero calls t100

Turn: (t400) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t200, BB raises to t800, Hero folds


Anyway, is this a snap fold?

[Get In My Poster]

Originally Posted by rocaerix

Got a HUSNG.com membership as per recommendation from regs thread. Any particular videos I should watch? I think the main leaks I should work on are playing in 3B pots, playing OOP and when to double barrel IP.

PS I'm really confused as to whether to post this in Regs thread, in LC thread with boobs or in beginners thread.

Primo's hu from scratch is a good place to start, also skates videos and cogs vids are excellent. Its about time I go premium myself so I can explore the rest of the library.

[MrRunsGoood]

@ rocaerix - check out the forum and under "video discussion". Posters make a few suggestions on which vids to watch.

[Shove]

Cant fold here, right? Villain more on the passive side, but not that extreme.

(no flush possible, flop was rainbow, turn brings a fd (J6))

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $40(BB) Replayer
($1,550)
Hero ($1,450)

Dealt to Hero 2 A

Hero raises to $80, calls $40

FLOP ($160) J A J

checks, Hero bets $80, raises to $160, Hero calls $80

TURN ($480) J A J 6

bets $160, Hero calls $160

RIVER ($800) J A J 6 5

bets $120, Hero calls $120

[coke]

Originally Posted by Lespar

Okay this hand was probably played pretty badly on my part but i'm really more interested in the turn.
This player seems to be extremely tight (check calling top pair) but he has pulled a move similar to this once or twice before.
I've also been pretty aggresive with my playstyle and that has backfired on me once already (so he knows i'm playing aggresively).

Poker Stars $2.00+$0.09 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t50/t100 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 956011
The Official DeucesCracked.com Hand History Converter

Hero (BTN/SB): t2900 29 BBs
BB: t3100 31 BBs

Pre Flop: (t150) Hero is BTN/SB with J 8
Hero calls t50, BB checks

Flop: (t200) 7 J 3 (2 players)
BB bets t100, Hero calls t100

Turn: (t400) 2 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t200, BB raises to t800, Hero folds


Anyway, is this a snap fold?

Against the described villain i think this is a fold.I would check the turn against a very agressive oponent a decent amount for pot control though.
Wp

[RomeoXak]

Which is more +EV 2player HU or the 4players HU shootout?
how about 256paleyrs+ HU tourneys?

Can you share your views on advantages and disadvantages

[coke]

Originally Posted by RomeoXak

Which is more +EV 2player HU or the 4players HU shootout?
how about 256paleyrs+ HU tourneys?

Can you share your views on advantages and disadvantages

This might me helpful:http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/58...estion-144437/