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I tend to not have trouble with these player types and I was hoping I could record a more challenging opponent but this is what I got. Anyways any input on how I can adjust most optimally.

Watch in 480p.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o4xJV...ature=youtu.be

wtf is this dude? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ViU8z...feature=relmfu

looool

lol kids today

please commentate? it makes it much more bearable + we can take a look at your thought processes too

haha lol that is my drunken and bored brother and sister. I always leave my youtube on and I this is the first time I seen this lool.
well I don't have a mic, I wonder if somehow I can use my mic on my phone and lay the audio track on the video, seems doable.

I'm drunk, but can't sleep, but I'll give it a try.

a) Your cbet sizes are way too big - like 180 into 240

b) KQJhh hits his oop calling range pretty hard, you previously had that read "fit-or-fold", then wrote "uh oh", well most likely he simply hit a piece of that, so good fold, don't "call for info", he probably just simply had a little something on that board and you had air.

c) Don't raise complete trash against his limps read-less.

d) Why 3x with one of these Ax and 2.5x with the other Ax at the same blind-level ?

e) I wouldn't fold Q8o against him this deep, esp. considering that he's opened a ton of his bu so far. Don't 3bet at this stack depth, you could 3bet-jam when you're a lot shallower like ~12bb, but this deep flatting is definitely much better than folding.

Next hand after that, he's been pretty tight oop so far, so I'd try to just mr close to 100%. That K5o doesn't play so well oop, so that'd be a much easier fold than the Q8o, though it's still a flat to a mr at this stack depth. Horrible board, just give up - if he chks behind, then you have some backdoor equity with your K-high fd.

Lol @ your comment - but it looked like you tried to type in a betsize - either minraise or fold that trash hand. As long as he's fairly tight and fit-fold oop, I'd still minraise it, though. The title of your video is "Playing against a weak/tight fish" - so take advantage of that, that he's folding too much.

Definitely play that J6o - it's a hand that you'd normally want to limp, but considering that he hasn't 3bet you yet, I'd just open close to 100% - also that 92s the hand before that.

At 30/60, do not open for more than a minraise with a trashy hand ! If you're sure he's a non-thinking, then you can open larger with stronger hands, but to take maximum advantage of a weak-tight, you need to open as much as possible, minraise, minraise, minraise. He'll fold way too often / play fit-fold post-flop, so you really shouldn't fold these trashy hands. But T3s really doesn't play well post-flop - so there really is no need to open it big ! Minraise it and you'll make a profit from his folding alone - plus you have some little backdoor equity if you make your flush.

Grunch, all the comments I'm making are being written before I see future streets to avoid results-oriented thinking.

Protip #1: [x] automuck. What are the possible uses? If you show bluffs only, then villain knows you've got made hands when you don't show and vice versa for showing made hands. Of course you can show everything, which is obviously bad. You can show one card, which tells villain that you showed them what you wanted them to see but you didn't want them to see the rest, which tells them plenty.

Showing cards is useful if and only if you know how villain is going to react AND know how to exploit that. People do it to me all the time, they think I'm going to get pissed at repeated revealed bluffs, I don't, they plan on it and outlevel themselves.

Constantly.

Protip #2: I think Brokerstar uses a great method of note-taking whereby when he sees something happen once, he notes it and appends it with ??? For example:

>> plays weak OOP in limped pots???

If you see villain do it again, remove a ?, ie

>> plays weak OOP in limped pots??

When you get to no ?'s, it's a solid read. I like to add a ? if I see villain act counter to that read, tho.

Anyway, onto the hands...

1:39, KK: I think a check OTF is better, this board connects with nothing.

2:20, AA: I think your bet and sizing is great OTF.

2:47, A6o: I can't fault your fold but I play $6's on Merge and when villain flats my PFR then donks flop, what on earth can he hold that can withstand a hefty reraise? I find I get folds like 80% of the time when I raise their donk 3-4x so it's profitable with ATC. At least at these stakes.

I'd suggest experimenting with that, see if it works, discard it if it doesn't.

Addendum: If I think villain is flatting pre and donking flop with air, and I have some kind of hand and the board is relatively dry, obviously I can just call there and let villain fire another barrel. I'm reraising the donk in this particular example because while I think they're weak, it's entirely possible their sh*t beats your sh*t. =)

3:13, 74s: I don't like the cbet at all unless you've got reads that villain is particularly weak but at this point I don't think you have anywhere near that kind of info. This hits villain's flatting range like Ike hit Tina, you're getting calls there so often.

5:06, K5o: Not a fan of the flat because I'm not a fan of playing one-card poker. Villain seems a little weak at this point but more OOP than IP, if you get action you're going to be dominated a lot. As played, I like the flop check and I like the turn bet and sizing because all sorts of worse clubs are calling there hoping to stack your pocket overpairs or A8/A7/87-type hands. Heck, you'll even see made flushes call here from time to time and if another club falls, you'll often see villain talking themselves into a spite call.

It's a beautiful thing. =)

5:48, 93o: Villain seems like they're folding more than 50%, meaning a minraise is going to be automatically +EV with ATC. 93s is a nice hand to raise OTB because it's not likely to get dominated if called, you can rep Axx/Kxx/Qxx boards well since your perceived range is loaded with these cards, even if you get looked up a second heart on the turn is great and flopping two hearts OTF is great for continuing aggression regardless.

6:16, T3s: Ah, you realized this exact point here. Unfortunately you get min 3b (which would immediately make me label villain as a fish), call isn't bad at all if you're planning on continuing with like 2pr+.

6:45, KJo: I like the call of the flop donk because when villain we've seen be this passive calls a 2.5x preflop OOP this (relatively) shallow and then leads, unlike before when we're assuming population tendencies, this looks like real strength. The question I'd be asking myself if I saw another barrel is "what hands are doing this that I beat?" And given villain's play, I don't think there's much.

I don't like the turn bet because nothing worse is calling with the sole exception of a spade draw, and even some of those have pretty good equity vs. your (AsXs, KsXs, QsXs). Further, nothing better is folding.

7:24, A9o: Hate the 3b for a variety of reasons. a) You want to see a flop with this hand, both cards can make strong pairs. b) Building a big pot OOP is bad on its face. c) How many worse aces do you see calling? d) If you actually pair your ace you're getting very little action since Ax is such a huge part of your perceived 3b range. e) You know villain is weak tight so you can count on getting even less action out of villain when an ace comes.

Aside: I see you checking popup stats a lot. You've got 35 hands at this point, nothing of any value other than PFR, VPIP and AFq have enough data points to be meaningful and even those are deprecated because you've got like 5 hands, tops, 25bb deep.

9:55, ATs: Love the preflop limp raise, like the bet sizing but I think closer to ~180 is better; there isn't a single worse hand or draw that's calling 150 that isn't calling 180.

And I agree with your call 100%, the overbet a hand or two back makes me think he's getting frustrated. Besides, nothing that beats you is shoving over, villain is showing up with, at best, worse pair+runner/runner FD's or an OESD.

Ok, now he's 3betting you and you have trash - just fold, you don't have the implied odds to peel and see a flop here. He has something this time. But that also shows why you should only minraise: it doesn't change his flatting range that much, but when he does have a hand, then you risk less.

Definitely just flat his donk-bet on the J46 - you basically have the nuts here and there aren't that many draws that you need to be worried about. After the board pairs and he checks to you, I'd also bet for value, but your size is way too big. You're betting 300 into 440 here, so what do you want to get value from, seriously ?

I really don't think he'd take this donk flop check turn line with a decent Jack, it's much more likely that he's some kind of a draw (though it'd also be a weird line to take for that), a 6 or some middle PP, maybe 77-99. He hasn't 3bet you that much yet, so there's a decent change that he'll flat these. And yeah, he showed up with 55. I would have bet something around 200 here, not more - cheap enough to make him call with 6x.

That A9o is a 3bet-jam - a non-ai 3bet is about the worst thing you can do with that hand.

Do not raise 76s for 2.5x - it is a minraise against this guy and a limp against someone who 3bets you more often. And your cbet is too big - he's never going to call you with anything worse, but there also isn't that much that he could continue with either. Don't be afraid of him peeling with Kx here - if he does, then you bet for value ;-)

Watch his 3x at 30/40 - he hasn't done this before. It may not mean anything, but it could be useful later to remember that he's done that before.

Even after you hit your Ace, that's a very dry flop, it's unlikely that he has a piece - so I'd still cbet smaller here, like 80 into 200 and you could even think about checking behind against a non-thinking player.

And now he apparently tilt-raises - but don't get fancy just yet, super easy fold - but I'd also time down a little bit like you did, just enough to make him think that you might have actually considered calling here ;-)

86o, easy bet/fold otf - like the half pot size now that you're getting more shallow.

And I almost felt off my chair ! For a second, I thought you wanted to fold - he limp/called and we hit the nuts for ~25bb

To summarize:

1. Your betsizes are often way too big
   Try to think about board texture and what he can possibly have. There were several examples where it was unlikely for him to have a strong hand - like for instance that J646 where he donked into you on the flop and checked the turn. And sometimes you just bet so super big like these 180 into 240 that you risk him folding bottom / weak mid-pair type hands.
2. Don't open too big with weak hands against a weak-tight guy, instead try to maximally exploit him by minraising a wide range.
3. Don't fold hand that play well post-flop against a min-raise from a pretty much straight-forward / fit-fold guy.

1) love how bunza was creepy enough to find that vid

2) that vid is amazing

3) i love you bunza

[QUOTE=quux;33635775]Protip #1: [x] automuck.

yeah, good point.

2:47, A6o: I can't fault your fold but I play $6's on Merge and when villain flats my PFR then donks flop, what on earth can he hold that can withstand a hefty reraise? I find I get folds like 80% of the time when I raise their donk 3-4x so it's profitable with ATC. At least at these stakes.

strongly disagree here. we don't know anything about our opponent yet, yeah it's possible that he's fos, but we don't really have any evidence for that yet except maybe population tendencies.

But there isn't really any reason to turn weak showdown value into a bluff here. And he could certainly have a 9, or some kind of a straight draw. It's the first time that he's donking into us, so why risk a lot of chips on a bluff when we know nothing about his tendencies yet ? Fwiw, he could just have hit a piece of that board.

If he does these donk-bets more often, then sure I'd start playing back against them - but I'd still do it with hands that have at least some potential of improving, like at least some kind of a backdoor draw.

Addendum: If I think villain is flatting pre and donking flop with air, and I have some kind of hand and the board is relatively dry, obviously I can just call there and let villain fire another barrel. I'm reraising the donk in this particular example because while I think they're weak, it's entirely possible their sh*t beats your sh*t. =)

You're basically turning A-high into a bluff, then.

And even if is actually does flat with and donk flop with air a lot, then we'll still have a ton on hands on a board like that that at least connect a little bit with it.

It's important to realzize that we don't have to play back with our entire range or even close to that! Just have enough hands in your playing-back range that destroy him really hard!

5:06, K5o: Not a fan of the flat because I'm not a fan of ....

Well, it's a no-brainer 3-bet jam once we get more shallow (like about 12bb or something like that, too drunk and tired to remember the exact math) - but you're right, that hand plays a lot worse OOP than the Q8o than he folded earlier at about the same stack depth.

5:48, 93o: Villain seems like they're folding more than 50%, meaning a minraise is going to be automatically +EV with ATC.



6:16, T3s: Ah, you realized this exact point here. Unfortunately you get min 3b (which would immediately make me label villain as a fish), call isn't bad at all if you're planning on continuing with like 2pr+.

Oops, was that a min 3b ? Ok, then forget what I just wrote in my comment. Because I didn't realize that it was just a min-3bet, just saw that guy make a 3bet and you calling it, then paused the video. Definitely call a min3bet.

6:45, KJo: I like the call of the flop donk because when villain we've seen be this passive calls a 2.5x preflop OOP this (relatively) shallow and then leads, unlike before when we're assuming population tendencies, this looks like real strength. The question I'd be asking myself if I saw another barrel is "what hands are doing this that I beat?" And given villain's play, I don't think there's much.

Yeah, he really hasn't done this very often.

Which immediately reminds me of something I learned from Mersenneary, he often says that if something is in one particular range, then it can't be in some other range. Like, if that guy always donks out when he hits the board, then his checking range is pretty damn weak ! That's definitely something to watch out for.

This particular guy didn't really don't out that often throughout the video - and if he only does that when he hit a piece of the board, then we can get very aggressive when he checks to us!

7:24, A9o: Hate the 3b for a variety of reasons. a) You want to see a flop with this hand, both cards can make strong pairs. b) Building a big pot OOP is bad on its face. c) How many worse aces do you see calling? d) If you actually pair your ace you're getting very little action since Ax is such a huge part of your perceived 3b range. e) You know villain is weak tight so you can count on getting even less action out of villain when an ace comes.

Good point - I don't like that raise either. Didn't pay too much attention to the stack size, though.

I'm coming from a Hyper background - and below ~18bb you can just simply jam the good Ax, checking back the weaker ones, then jam all of them around ~15bb against limps. But above ~20bb, it's more complicated.

9:55, ATs: Love the preflop limp raise, like the bet sizing but I think closer to ~180 is better; there isn't a single worse hand or draw that's calling 150 that isn't calling 180.

Strongly disagree here - even 150 is a little too much, for instance against a thinking opponent I'd never really bet more than ~120 here, like my normal cbet-size on that kind of board in a limp-raised pot.

Also think about stack sizes at future streets: with 150, the pot is 600 with 1030 behind ott, that's more than enough !

If you bet 120 here, then the pot is 540 with 1060 behind. Betting another 400 makes it 1340 with 660 behind on the river. So it would be very easy to get stacks in on three streets even with much smaller bet sizes.

good to see detailed analyses. i gave this thread no hope but it turned out ok

That's me u dick, and I'm not a fish.

**** you man.

Show the other 10 sng's we played that I stacked u in.

@ the AA/KK hands I guess my logic was that I was oop and if he is gonna call with TP then he might as well pay big. Interesting maybe a bigger bet on turn.

Yeah very true.
noted thanks
I think it was just a mistake I never really do this.

I thought at the time there wasn't much of a need to play OOP with a middling hand, and I don't think he is aggressive enough to get any value when I do hit and it seems thin to call his bets also. That's my logic and it still seems logical to me, I understand totally what your saying but please elaborate what our plan is postflop. Ultimately I think folding is close (not immediately) just because I think I get way better expectation playing IP.

I think my logic at the time was "I haz chance to steal + equity" thats as far as my thought process went. Maybe if I was IP it would be a good move?
noted thanks. Here is the problem, it's me. I know I should be doing this but yet I feel like even the fishiest villains are going to adjust and turn into aggro fish/stations which I find hard to adjust too.

What to do about wide calling ranges at this level someone who folds 20% and never 3bets? I have a vague idea that I can increasing my BTN open sizes but if I increase opensizes do I also narrow my range? I need some info how to adjust properly to people who call wide.


u missed that it's a min3bet :P

Well said! it makes sense, at the time I thought it was likley he had a 6, PP or draw and all I cared about or feared perhaps was not pricing the draw. I just had a week of people drawing out on me quite a bit so I guess that caused me to think illogical.

This is a tricky spot for me because 3bet jamming 26bb or 28bb (do we count the minraise?) seems too deep to jam. and calling I usually play fit or fold to much OOP.

so should I bet based on texture against these villains? something like 50%-super dry boards, 50%-twotone boards/paired boards/semiconnected, 60%-2tone+semi connected boards, 75%- twotone+connected boards(78Thh), ??-3toneboards. Or just flat 50%, does this change if I have a hand, seems transparent.

ok

nice, should I be experimenting with lower cbets in general vs this fit or fold type?

lol I think I just level myself but I do that for the reasons you stated, I think it might make them think twice before doing that again.

usually I'm betting 180 there but I wanted him to spaz raise me so I made it 150, then when it happened I got a little scared lol