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Old 07-23-2012, 04:48 PM   #1
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7$ HT flopped FD

First hand against unknown villain. I got myself in a lot of trouble very quickly this time . Is my line OK?

    Poker Stars, $6.85 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13576142

    SB: 500 (25 bb)
    Hero (BB): 500 (25 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with K 2
    SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

    Flop: (80) A J 4 (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 40, Hero raises to 120, SB calls 80

    Turn: (320) 4 (2 players)
    Hero bets 140, SB raises to 280, Hero calls 140

    River: (880) 7 (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 60 and is all-in, Hero folds




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    Old 07-23-2012, 05:18 PM   #2
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    Re: 7$ HT flopped FD

    Check/jam flop.
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    Old 07-23-2012, 08:37 PM   #3
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    I don't mind your flop raise and turn barrel but fold to his raise
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    Old 07-23-2012, 08:56 PM   #4
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    Re: 7$ HT flopped FD

    flop raise is way too big...just shove if you wanna c/r 3x
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    Old 07-23-2012, 09:58 PM   #5
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    Re: 7$ HT flopped FD

    Sizings are terrible. You committed 440 out of 500 chips and then folded. Ouch. Be more aware of the pot commitment line and when you cross it, do it by jamming to maximize your fold equity. At 25BB you don't have enough room for this line.
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    Old 07-24-2012, 03:14 AM   #6
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    Re: 7$ HT flopped FD

    +1

    do it 100 on flop and shove the turn...
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    Old 07-24-2012, 03:27 AM   #7
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    Re: 7$ HT flopped FD

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    Sizings are terrible. You committed 440 out of 500 chips and then folded. Ouch. Be more aware of the pot commitment line and when you cross it, do it by jamming to maximize your fold equity. At 25BB you don't have enough room for this line.
    Ouch indeed. These are the kind of hands when villain does fold on flop or turn i wouldn't bother too much about it, but when he doesn't, it shows that this line is not optimal at all.

    I guess here, either check/jam, or check/raise smaller (call a 3bet jam from his side??), and if he flats my check/raise on flop either give up on turn or jam turn. So many options, i wouldn't know what is the best line here .

    I did call turn because with his raising size i had to put 140 to win a pot of 740. I did not expect ANY fold equity at all from that point on, so this is how i played it on turn and river, finally hoped to win the match with my last 60 chips
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    Old 07-24-2012, 04:15 AM   #8
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    Re: 7$ HT flopped FD

    Your c/raise size on the flop is fine if you intend to shove almost all turn cards. On this flop, I would rather c/shove though. C/raising to 120 is probably best on low cards board when a lot of scare cards can come on the turn.

    So yea, shove turn if you go with this line next time. I don't expect that many 4x in his range after the big check/raise on this flop. If it was a J or A turn, I would check/evaluate.
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    Old 07-24-2012, 06:55 AM   #9
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    Re: 7$ HT flopped FD

    what is the obvious advantage of jamming turn instead of betting t140? you guys mention fold equity, you believe villain will fold Jx to a jam but call t140? or KQ,KT,QT?
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    Old 07-24-2012, 07:25 AM   #10
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    Re: 7$ HT flopped FD

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    what is the obvious advantage of jamming turn instead of betting t140? you guys mention fold equity, you believe villain will fold Jx to a jam but call t140? or KQ,KT,QT?
    yup, this is why i betted t140, because i didn't think a larger betsize would change the FE, maybe even on the contrary, because with a non all-in bet i could still represent TP, or any hand that wants to extract value. When I look back I prefer the idea of just giving up on turn, also seen that turn pairs the board.
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    Old 07-24-2012, 08:13 AM   #11
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    Re: 7$ HT flopped FD

    Yeah I don't like a flop jam in general at lower stakes as I don't think you have as much FE. Got to jam turn though, or fold to that raise I think as played
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    Old 07-24-2012, 11:35 AM   #12
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    Re: 7$ HT flopped FD

    c/155 OTF shove turn. hate a c/shove on flop
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    Old 07-27-2012, 06:47 AM   #13
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    Re: 7$ HT flopped FD

    Why cr instead of CC?
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