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Old 07-31-2012, 12:20 AM   #1
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60$ hu against PS team pro,

i think he'd bet any T or J and maybe some nines on turn, so turn he has a pair of 9's or no hand?

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    Hero (SB): 2,042 (25.5 bb)
    BB: 958 (12 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 6 6
    Hero raises to 160, BB calls 80

    Flop: (336) 3 9 J (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    Turn: (336) T (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero checks

    River: (336) 5 (2 players)
    BB bets 160, Hero calls 160

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    Old 07-31-2012, 01:29 AM   #2
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    Re: 60$ hu against PS team pro,

    Jam pre ainec

    Hard to comment on the hand because I don't see myself in this spot at all (because I jam this 99% of the time), but folding on the river seems fine. This board smacks his flatting range at this stack depth
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    Old 07-31-2012, 02:48 AM   #3
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    Re: 60$ hu against PS team pro,

    Yeah ship pre. This is also just really not a credible spot to bet river so I think he's pretty value-heavy in this spot; also keep in mind that the 9TJ on board *crush* whatever range he's calling with oop here as he's folding all his weak hands and shoving Ax Kx, so you should probably fold.

    Basically everything mela said.
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    Old 07-31-2012, 03:05 AM   #4
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    Re: 60$ hu against PS team pro,

    I`m cbeting this flop to get his air hands to fold. I expect to get 2 leadbets decent amount when we don`t , so by betting we most likely see the river if our opponent isnt check-raising flop or donking the turn.
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    Old 07-31-2012, 03:20 AM   #5
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    Re: 60$ hu against PS team pro,

    I wouldn't jam preflop. the minraise looks fine. He can call or push with hands including 1 overcard like K5o, Q5o, 85, 85, 75 and lots of suited combinations and even if he calls with 2 overcards he would not hit a pair 1 out of 3 times and you have position.

    I would c-bet just to get information. The riverbet looks like you beat. He expect you to c-bet air so he probably put you on small pair ace-high and most people call a small bet on the river with hands like that. He is aware of that.
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    Old 07-31-2012, 03:26 AM   #6
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    Re: 60$ hu against PS team pro,

    Well, two questions:

    He can 3b jam with 98s but most likely will fold it to a jam at this stack depth, no?

    And if he flats and flop brings some overs that are not A or K, how do we know if he hit a pair or not?
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    Old 07-31-2012, 03:55 AM   #7
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    Re: 60$ hu against PS team pro,

    ppl usually lead here for value..when they bluff..its usually by leading the turn and leading the river..so yeah i think folding is best here

    as for pf play..do u have any reads on his oop play? as this will dictate how u play 66

    if he has show the tendency to 3b shove wide and has a low flat% i think we should mr/call here, but high flat% and low 3b shove then jamming is best
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    Old 07-31-2012, 04:54 AM   #8
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    Re: 60$ hu against PS team pro,

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    I wouldn't jam preflop. the minraise looks fine. He can call or push with hands including 1 overcard like K5o, Q5o, 85, 85, 75 and lots of suited combinations and even if he calls with 2 overcards he would not hit a pair 1 out of 3 times and you have position.

    I would c-bet just to get information. The riverbet looks like you beat. He expect you to c-bet air so he probably put you on small pair ace-high and most people call a small bet on the river with hands like that. He is aware of that.
    I think we are too shallow to induce any BB is very important now, also A2-A6 call open shove anyway myb K4s-K6s, and lots of hands like 89s can jam over our mr and fold to jam pre.

    post flop when we cbet,ton of pairs and draws c\jam and we can fold the best hand easily bcz we have no idea what he has.
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    Old 07-31-2012, 05:05 AM   #9
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    Re: 60$ hu against PS team pro,

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    I wouldn't jam preflop. the minraise looks fine. He can call or push with hands including 1 overcard like K5o, Q5o, 85, 85, 75 and lots of suited combinations and even if he calls with 2 overcards he would not hit a pair 1 out of 3 times and you have position.

    I would c-bet just to get information. The riverbet looks like you beat. He expect you to c-bet air so he probably put you on small pair ace-high and most people call a small bet on the river with hands like that. He is aware of that.
    i think the ante make it a closer spot.
    Without ante against a ps team pro i minbet because i expect him to 3bet a lot. With ante we give him better implied odds by minbetting so its correct for him to defend a wider range.

    flop and turn are fine vs people who dont bet a lot vs missed c-bets. against people who are aggro ooP iŽd rather c-bet flop to collect the dead money,that turns live if we check behind.

    also when i read bernards post i heard it in his voice which added a lot of entertainment to this thread
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    Old 07-31-2012, 05:36 AM   #10
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    Re: 60$ hu against PS team pro,

    Always shipping pre especially with the antes which makes defending bb more interesting for him as he expect you'll open bit wider.
    Villain may think your range is alot weaker than he actually is because you'd shove any pair up to Tens and any Kx or Ax so villain might be a bit scared with his 9 on turn because you probably hit this board with your "broadways" what he put you on. Prob folding river with history
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    Old 07-31-2012, 05:37 AM   #11
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    Old 07-31-2012, 05:44 AM   #12
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    Re: 60$ hu against PS team pro,

    being that shallow isn't necessary an indicator for that we should jam. alot of people stop flatting raises at all around the 10bb mark, against those people minraising is obv the nuts.
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    Old 07-31-2012, 06:14 AM   #13
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    Re: 60$ hu against PS team pro,

    Cbet flop,he misses this flop pretty often,no point in checking back since it's likely we'll have to fold the best hand a lot. Dont see how we can call river.
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    Old 07-31-2012, 07:00 AM   #14
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    Re: 60$ hu against PS team pro,

    This flop hits his calling range, so dont CB. Then he obv has value when he doesnt DB turn, and an easy fold on river.
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    Old 07-31-2012, 10:03 AM   #15
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    Re: 60$ hu against PS team pro,

    with antes this is probably a clear jam vs anyone, i dont expect 6max regs to be nearly as aggro as they should be, ps pro or not. we're actually more like 10bb deep and villain is getting very good odds on flatting hands like J7o that play well vs us since most of the time we'll have to either give them a free turn or give them implied odds by cbet/folding a board like this. at this stack size we really want to avoid seeing a flop w 66 and a bit of extra value we gain by him jamming a bit more is not worth it

    edit: also cbetting flop for FE
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