Originally Posted by bernardc
We are raise folding to a shove.
With the raise of his c-bet you get the infromation you want most of the time and you get called by weaker hands because of all the draws (he might be drawing or he thinks that you are) and he doesn't put you on an ace all the time.
There are lots of hands that have you beat (but way more that you have beat). If he has a hand that has you beat, it is unlikely you outdraw him so try to get some information of try to build a big pot when you feel you have the best hand on turn and river. I felt I had the best hand because he called my raise on flop and my bet on turn so fast. If he had a monster he will raise or at least take some time to think about it.
This logic is pretty weak. There aren't that many draws to get value from, if a draw 3b's we're owning ourselves, if they just flat, they're doing so with good equity.
We do get information by raising the flop, but we also get info by see'ing a turn, and seeing what he does on the turn. The difference is that when we raise the flop the hand becomes far less managable.
While there are more hands that we have beat than have us beat, but by taking this line you're isolating the stronger part of his range and maximizing cost while minimizing value. We aren't getting any more value out of worse hands. how often are you expecting to get called by worse for better than 2 streets of value? It shouldn't be very often at all. We're going to chop by the river with a lot of aces, and fold out most worse hands. We're over-repping our hand.