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Old 11-12-2010, 08:39 PM   #1
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$6.25: Questions about thin(?) value against a loose opponent and how to adjust

This thread has two questions. Here is the first hand of the match

Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.25 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BTN/SB): t1470 49 BBs
BB: t1530 51 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BTN/SB with 9 Q
Hero raises to t60, BB calls t30

Flop: (t120) A 4 T (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets t60, BB calls t60

Turn: (t240) K (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

River: (t240) 8 (2 players)
BB checks, Hero checks

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1.What are some specific adjustment we should make after seeing our opponent call that flop with K high? I assume we're going to double barrel more often and value bet thiner (pending info on what villain does with the top of his range). What do we do if villain is also calling the turn with something weak like K high no draw or random gutshots? Triple barrel more often? Stop C-betting air?

Here's the 5th hand of the match:

Full Tilt Poker $6 + $0.25 Heads Up No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t15/t30 Blinds - 2 players
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Hero (BB): t1380 46 BBs
BTN/SB: t1620 54 BBs

Pre Flop: (t45) Hero is BB with Q 8
BTN/SB calls t15, Hero checks

Flop: (t60) A J Q (2 players)
Hero bets t45, BTN/SB calls t45

Turn: (t150) 4 (2 players)
Hero bets t100, BTN/SB calls t100

River: (t350) A (2 players)
Hero bets t200,

2. Is my play OK given the first hand? Is the first hand even relevant to how thinly we value bet the turn or river? I assumed the first hand meant that villain will be more likely call one, maybe 2 streets with gutshots, a J etc. So I can bet the turn and get value. On the river, it's less likely he has Ax, he will call more often with Jx and a few Qx hands that might beat me now tie, so it seems like a decent spot to keep firing.
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Old 11-12-2010, 09:08 PM   #2
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Re: $6.25: Questions about thin(?) value against a loose opponent and how to adjust

1: If villain is huge calling station fishy, I don't like 3rd barell bluff against this type of villain. If he call light flop, and mostly fold to 2nd barell, then I like fire again. But If he is able to call 2nd barell with K high, I don't like doing 2nd,3rd barells. Against calling station like that, we have to wait for value hands and bet bet bet.

2: bet 150-200/fold on river in hand should be fine, because we don't know he's bluff tendencies
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1: If villain is huge calling station fishy, I don't like 3rd barell bluff against this type of villain. If he call light flop, and mostly fold to 2nd barell, then I like fire again. But If he is able to call 2nd barell with K high, I don't like doing 2nd,3rd barells. Against calling station like that, we have to wait for value hands and bet bet bet.

2: bet 150-200/fold on river in hand should be fine, because we don't know he's bluff tendencies
This. Villain being huge calling station (and passive) is one thing, him being able to fold 2nd and/or 3rd barrel is another. Value betting thin looks okay, but don't barrel too often (I mean, with AIR) otherwise you will get yourself into trouble.

2nd hand looks like a b/f spot, not a great card to bluff for him imo, and from your description of villain I don't think this passive guy is very likely to bluff often.
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Re: $6.25: Questions about thin(?) value against a loose opponent and how to adjust

1st hand i think i'm betting the turn. 2nd looks fine and b/f river.
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1st hand i think i'm betting the turn.
At these stakes, I think betting the turn mostly gets folds from hands we beat like worse FDs. Might get a fold form 4x, but most Tx are calling.
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You only have a draw, not much sd value and tons of equity, it's a scare card and i don't think you need all that many folds for it to be profitable and if you hit your draw you will be able to value it properly.
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Re: $6.25: Questions about thin(?) value against a loose opponent and how to adjust

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1.What are some specific adjustment we should make after seeing our opponent call that flop with K high? I assume we're going to double barrel more often and value bet thiner (pending info on what villain does with the top of his range). What do we do if villain is also calling the turn with something weak like K high no draw or random gutshots? Triple barrel more often? Stop C-betting air?
You'll find out his turn folding tendencies once you barrel a made hand for a couple streets. If you get called 2sts ridic light, obv slow down on the barrelling.

Basically don't feel obligated to cbet, do it for value/semibluff. I'm really surprised to see his flop call fwiw, most villains at these stakes will float a ton of boards, except Ahigh ones. I guess he loved his backdoor

2nd hand looks good. Sometimes you can bet smaller, his calling range with a J here can be pretty elastic.
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