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Old 09-01-2010, 04:21 PM   #1
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$5k, trips no good?

Had a pretty interesting hand imo. Villain and have a couple of games under our belt, first 2ks, then he asked to move up. I assume he's a cashplayer or something but not sure. Some reads (some irrelevant, some not):
- his shallow game is really weird and he openjams the weirdest (read: too weak) hands for 12-17bb's imo
- his cbet% is 100% with one exception (A J on 9 7 2 3 8 we checked down with him as PFR) over decent enough sample to say it's close to 100% on any board type
- he didn't start out with barreling too much turns but has tuned up agression a bit in last 2-3 games because i often c/c'ed with as little as A-/K-high and won a lot of smallish pots on river unimproved; i dont think he barrels randomly (equityless) but definitly wide-ish on turn
- he also was pretty nitty in his button opens at first but increase both when the blinds went up and when he started being stuck
- I c/c'ed down once with T 8 on A T 7 8 6 where he bet/bet/jammed Q J
- for the rest most hands where he raised button didn't really get past turn too much
oh and his sizing was always the same in case anyone is wondering (preflop/flop/turn)

Is this a pukefold, trivial fold or "i kevall" spot?

Party Poker $5010 USD Buy-in No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 899850
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Hero (BB): t2220 55.50 BBs
BTN/SB: t1780 44.50 BBs

Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BB with 3 Q
BTN/SB raises to t80, Hero calls t40

Flop: (t160) A 3 3 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t80, Hero calls t80

Turn: (t320) 2 (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t240, Hero calls t240

River: (t800) K (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t640

edit: maybe some things about my flop checkraising/calling %: def called pretty loosely but not random hopeless floats obv; checkraised around 20% of the time i estimate (no hud ldo) and because he cbet always i never donked... checkraises on the turn never really happened so far
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:27 PM   #2
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

I never played this high so can't give any good advice. But why ayou don't checkraise the flop? Aces+draws are a big part of his range and don't give up that easily.
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:43 PM   #3
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

It's a smash the keyboard fold imo.
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:53 PM   #4
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

im leaning towards call here but im a station. i just think he will put a lot of floats into your flop calling range and expect you to cr flush draws and 3x. also prob doesnt expect there to be many 3x in your oop flatting range. so by the river you look like you have a weak ace a lot and could be trying to get u off a split. also capable of bluffing 3 streets

how wide is his value range on the turn?

EDIT: i really want to call here lol his sizing is so big what does he want to call him? could also be owning himself with a worse 3
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:54 PM   #5
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

Does the king of clubs influence your decision at all?


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I never played this high so can't give any good advice. But why ayou don't checkraise the flop? Aces+draws are a big part of his range and don't give up that easily.

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I think its because spamz has shown that he can c/c flops pretty light (with A or K high). So spamz could definitely have king high here or a smaller pp, a lot of stuff that villain will try to fold out with a double barrel, so c/c allows him to dbl barrel the turn, when he would've possibly folded to the flop c/r.
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:57 PM   #6
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

Not a good board for him to run 3-street bluff and not likely value betting light...and with info provided I would say he can safely fold this and consider it +ev.

Seems like AK(slightly unlikely) or 3-street bluff(unlikely) is all you can beat imo
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Old 09-01-2010, 04:58 PM   #7
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

You get 2.25:1, so you only need to be 30,8% of the time, right?

Given his cbet% is 100% he can basically have everything, but the only thing you are realistically afraid of here is AA/KK/flushes.

So if he only has AA/KK/flushes 69,2% of the time it's a call, I guess?

I guess he knows by now that you could easily be check/calling a random 3 here, given you check/called Tc 8c on AT7hh 8h 6s board, so I guess he's only firing 3 barrels with a strong range like AA/KK/flushes/another 3 (limited 3s in his range though)/45 (occasionally)/air, you only win over his air, and split with his random 3s, so it's VERY close IMO.

You also say he tuned up aggression in the last 3 games, which makes me lean more towards a call than a fold.

I don't play nowhere this high, so it's just my thoughts.

it's definitely close.. but I think I would call
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:17 PM   #8
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

Ez call, right?
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:18 PM   #9
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

I mindlessly click the middle button
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:20 PM   #10
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

easy fold, betting 3 streets in position on a wet board he is repping quad 3s,
personally i fold turn or even flop if im on my A-game
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:21 PM   #11
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

pretty trivial fold imo.
45 combinations of flushes
There 6 combos of AA and even more of KK
meh, there are definately better spots to call
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:21 PM   #12
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

i dont know
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:23 PM   #13
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

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Does the king of clubs influence your decision at all?
K on river changes everything; my perceived range is mostly Ax and people dont expect to get a fold from this imo on this river (since i'm chopping with any Ax)... if he has the case 3 then i chop as well now, whereas i would win vs a decent amount of other combo's if the river is another card
if river is 9 or other brick it's an easy c/c because i beat a big part of his valuerange even
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:25 PM   #14
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

presumably u slowplayed b/c u thought he might barrel off... now that he's barreling off, why would u fold?
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Old 09-01-2010, 05:25 PM   #15
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Re: $5k, trips no good?

also - since i suspect that villain is a cash player - i would like some input from mid-high stakes regs if they feel like it
syous already gave his thoughts on msn which i apreciate a lot and gave me some good insight
so if you're reading this, pretty plz reply? ^^
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