$355 facing c/r on paired board in the first hand

[Brocky]

Villain is Dmaradona if it makes difference.

This is the first hand of our first match so completely readless.

Full Tilt, $350 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #9709502

BB: 500 (25 bb)
Hero (SB): 500 (25 bb)

Preflop: Hero is SB with 9 Q
Hero completes, BB checks

Flop: (40) 9 J J (2 players)
BB checks, Hero bets 20, BB raises to 60, Hero folds

Results: 80 pot
Final Board: 9 J J
BB mucked and won 80 (40 net)
Hero mucked 9 Q and lost (-40 net)

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If i'm calling the flop am I calling any turn bet and how should I react to an overcard or an 8? Do I gain much more info from 3 betting this flop?

I know there's a case for raising pre but I like to see how he is reacting to limps to set up a better end game for me.

[KarlizL]

what, how can u fold here, you have 2nd pair + backdoors
i dont know villain but i dont see how u can fold against anyone here
call flop and reeav turn

[matvaju]

Im calling flop here 100%. He can cr here some gutshots, worse 9x, total air(cuz he probably expects u to cbet this flop). I would probably call most of turns here, cuz i dont expect villain to not barrel after cr on flop, that would make no sense.

[fastcolt]

lol just lol

but ok on serious sidenote

if u are bet/folding this flop with this kind of holding it would probably be better to check it behind and call down on alot of turns and rivers

and yeah, u should never fold flop imo, would need EXTREME reads to fold flop call and re-evaluate turn

[Take_Pills]

uhhhhhhhhh, did you just come from playing ring games or something? obvious call here especially in position. most better 9s will raise pre and there are very few Jx combinations but a ton of junk he will do this with. also I would say raise pre?

[chadders0]

why the hell did you limp?

[dhcg86]

tell me if this makes any sense

good fold

[Abraham Setrakian]

would really love to hear your reasoning on the fold. seems pretty bad w/out solid reads

[Borg7]

This thread sucks...

[mersenneary]

Originally Posted by chadders0

why the hell did you limp?

I'd raise too readless, but I don't think a limp is awful.

Originally Posted by Brocky

Do I gain much more info from 3 betting this flop?

I would strongly advise against this type of thinking. It sounds like you're too worried about not knowing where you're at in the hand. Sometimes, it's best to call and be unsure, rather than raise and find out or fold and avoid the situation. Raise/folding gets you owned by draws and spazzy worse 9x and also folds out his air which we can get value from by flatting and calling turn.

[Mr Wray]

this is why u get sat

[u cnat spel]

Originally Posted by Mr Wray

this is why u get sat

^^

nice level, OP.

[AnJo280]

wow it feels like a crime to educate people who fold this :P

[emotionx]

what..
i dont even..

[Bjoerni89]

nice. You keep your folding range balanced in that spot, thats good.