Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
($1,175)
Hero ($1,825)

Dealt to Hero J 5

Hero raises to $60, calls $40

FLOP ($120) 7 J 6

checks, Hero bets $80, calls $80

TURN ($280) 7 J 6 8

checks, Hero bets $160, raises to $460

villain is playing normal not doing too much weird stuff

puke/fold. We potentially have a lot of outs, but we're going to be dirty and obvious which lowers our equity and pushes it toward a shove/fold situation. I don't think we have the equity we need when beat to justify continuing given how little an average villain is bluffing here and stack sizes are pretty bad/awkward for us as he's leveraging more than he's actually betting

I'm checking back the turn for potcontrol. That 8 just improves his flatting range alot. Gutshot, lower end straight, two pairs. I expect him to raise better J's and flushdraws so we still ahead of some of his range but can't withstand a raise. I don't see much that we beat here because he should raise a large part of his semibluffs on the flop.

i think i agree w/ fold. dunno about chk-back theres a good chance he'll peel w/ pair + str8 draw and then potentially c/c a blank river. plus there are a lot of bad rivers for us

this is a good spot for checking back, we can't expect to get 3 streets of value from worse anyway, and there's a good chance he'll c/r with pair + draw which makes us hate our live.

There's way too much to get value from to not barrel, and afaik he hasn't shown anything to make me think this turn c/r is anything but strong.

Hands that villain c/c on turn is most likely not calling another bet on the river. If we check back, he will likely call on the most river cards.

Hands that he c/r on the turn are mostly 2p's and pair + draw, and we do better vs that range by taking a free card.

Not barreling here might lose some value, but we can get it back on the river. And although we can assume that his c/r range is quite strong, it still sucks to fold our hand, doesn't it

i think we sacrifice too much equity by b/f here, we need to be absolutely sure that villain never plays pair+draw this way and we cannot conclude that. checking back is best imo, although you play worse against the T7,98 type hands.

Strange that no1 tell him to fold pre... i would pbb call here, cause i think that his flop calling range doesnt really hit hard on this turn. Only hand this could be with is 45. Much more logical for him to have a flushdraw here with 9sX

^ why would we fold PF, we're IP

to the chk turn crowd: While I don't think checking turn is bad, I think it's a bit RO'd and there is a ton more value in a turn bet than there will be in a river bet which justifies forfeiting our equity when behind when we get c/r'd.

IP doesnt mean we have to raise with every hand... J5 just isnt good enough for a raise or a call. I would raise IP heads up with every connector (suited and unsuited) and one gappers en all kx and ax kind of hands, but j5 is really not a raising hand...

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If you are not raising J5o you are not playing a lot of hands in position, are you?

You're raising WAY too tight from the button readless.

well j5 is basically just one of the hands i fold. Hands like j4, j3, 102,103 i will all fold. Playing these hands is really not +EV even if it is IP

also would raise two gappers, was just a quick simple range. But imo this really is not good. J5 is really -EV.

It seems to me that you're making wild assumptions that contradict 99% of top HU players general strategy. if you have research I'd love to see it

If not, I'd suggest having an open mind to what people on the forums have to say and be willing to leave "what you know" at the door. god speed