What's your default move here , readless vs fish and vs reg?


Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
($1,510)
Hero ($1,490)

Dealt to Hero 2 6

Hero raises to $40, calls $20

FLOP ($80) 2 6 J

checks, Hero bets $60, raises to $120, Hero ??

75bb deep: flop J62 monotone=c/call, turn blank=check...tank...call,
river blank=tank....check....tank....wtf??? noone flops flushes CALL....****CK!!!!
chat:nh

3bet vs both. Tons of pair+, overs+, some bare tp potentially for fish to just let them set such a good price to try and catch.

this.

we are 75bb deep and we flopped bottom two on monotone board.Against Ad6x we are 46% dog and flipping against JxTd.Also we are crushed against flushes drawing to 4 outs.
There aren't many worst hands that call a 3bet and if villain shoves we hate our life.At best we flipping against his gii range.
I'm curius to hear what other people thing but IMHO i believe it's too light to 3bet monotone flop with bottom two 75bb deep.

I think this is getting pretty close to the nut worst possible range he could have and even then getting it in is as good as folding and thats assuming our flop 3bet has absolutely no FE, he never slowplays flushes and all sorts of other inaccuracies which probably reduce the EV of our 3bet/call which of course it does. So yeah even 75bb deep I wouldn't really be looking to hero fold two pair.


Text results appended to pokerstove.txt

76,230 games 0.003 secs 25,410,000 games/sec

Board: 2d 6d Jd
Dead:

equity win tie pots won pots tied
Hand 0: 43.933% 42.95% 00.99% 32738 752.00 { 6h2h }
Hand 1: 56.067% 55.08% 00.99% 41988 752.00 { JcJs, JhJs, 66, 22, AJs, AdTd, Ad9d, Ad8d, Ad7d, Ad6d, Ad5d, Ad4d, Ad3d, Ad2d, KJs, KdTd, Kd9d, Kd8d, Kd7d, Kd6d, Kd5d, Kd4d, Kd3d, Kd2d, QJs, QdTd, Qd9d, Qd8d, Qs8s, Qd7d, Qd6d, Qd5d, Qd4d, Qd3d, Qd2d, J9s+, Td9d, Td8d, Td7d, 9d8d, 9d7d, 9s7s, 9d6d, 8d7d, 8d6d, 8d5d, 7d6d, 7d5d, 6d5d, 5d4d, AJo, Ac6d, Ad6c, Ad6h, Ad6s, Ah6d, As6d, KJo, QcJd, QdJc, QdJh, QdJs, QhJd, QsJd, JcTd, JdTc, JdTh, JdTs, JhTd, JsTd }

Hero 3bets to 350ish, might as well jam if he's a fish. We're not looking forward to folding flopped 2p in husng.

I'm pretty sure getting it in on the flop is actually awful here.

My inclination is to flat and see what my equity is like ott. There are a lot better opportunities to gii with good equity ott than otf and we get a sick price

Oh didn't see we were 75bb deep, jamming might be a massive overbet. So yeah, I'd 3bet and call off if he jams, or call/shove turn except for diamonds and J.

What is villain perceived c/r range for value on this flop?In other words what hands villain represent when c/r us?If we 3bet flop IMO we turn our hand into bluff and rarely we stand good if we play for stacks especially that deep.Not sure what other people think but for me the bottom of my range to stack off that deep on that flop is a set.

A lot of pair + draw like Ad6x, JxKd, etc. And just because we 3bet doesn't mean we turn our hand into a bluff, we can still extract more value from those hands or weaker draws in case they flat.

Mela we are dogs against Ad6x even with bottom two.Plus when he doesnt flat what is our plan?

flat flop not close imo

Yeah my bad, actually we're flipping against most pair + draws, I didn't think of counterfeiting and couldn't check on stove either.

That said, plus the stacks are deep, I'm actually leaning towards flatting but I'd have to give it some more thoughts. The downside of it is that we're allowing him to improve on turn at a very cheap price, but that shouldn't happen more than ~30% of the time and we can extract extra value by betting on safe turn cards (~70%).

I'll think about it a bit more and post later if I come up with something new

Edit: fwiw when we 3bet and he doesn't flat we have to jam, no other choices really