Is he doing it for a month and leaders don`t give a ****? Just report that it`s first day jeeez

I was on holiday just 5 days and now saw that cartel start without me. Ok tommorow will play and saw. Some guys from cartel already market like good fishes. Its hard understand how its possible to be with tham in one cartel if i always sit tham? If they are go out of cartel if i played with them 2k tournaments and show good +ev? If itisnt possible be in cartel and sit members of cartel.

I sat him again and he rematched for a little while.

Hello,

I played a few games against joyboy this afternoon, as noted by the chat transcript, and he informed me that I was part of a group I didn't know I belonged to, which in turn had me breaking rules I didn't know I was breaking (not offering a second table). I'd like to request to be taken off the list, as I prefer not to be part of a governing body/rules I won't be able to adhere to. I realize that this will be at the expense of not getting lobbies.

Just to further note, If someone puts my username on a sex offender's list, or a pro-Hitler list, I'm innocent of both of those too

Kind Regards and good luck at the tables,

Marwan34

Imo this whole idea of establishing a 30s cartel sux. It looks funny and it sounds funny. Looking forward to hearing about establishing a 15s cartel lol. Any cartel lower than 60s doesnt make any sense since there're too many regs and semiregs wishing to play and compete. So I believe being a part of this division is nothing but an obligation to sit regs since fish hardly opensits these times. And this is def -ev. Just don't wanna be a part of the crowd. Just wanna decide on my own when and whom to play.

I've been regging this limit and will reg (and shoot higher) without any kinda obligations. What Im gonna do is to search through the base to find the weakest members among the list (since I used to play with 90%) and create my own sit list to bumhunt.

Good luck fellas! Everything written is imo. Maybe Im wrong, which is possible, but again this 30s cartel idea sounds ridiculous.

PS Btw do you, members of it, sit regs from 60-100 opensitting 30s lobs? )) Or you have the "untouchables" list?

Attached you will find the updated members list:

http://imgur.com/fKfG5zx

We had some mixups in the beginning, apologies to Marwan about that who is NOT a member of the division. Also we have some undecided members - as soon as they decide we will update the list.

In regards to people requesting more infos on how things are decided/infractions given - no other division releases any kind of info about that. We wont either.

If you want to join, accomplish the requirements vs. the group - there is no subjectivity to that:

$30’s
2000 games = 0% ev - temporary tire - see http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/sh...&postcount=113 for details

2800 games = -1.05% ev
4200 games = -1.33% ev
5600 games = -1.48% ev
7000 games = -1.60% ev

Aside from that - all other relevant informations are in this thread. Please refrain from spamming it so that people who are interested have a chance to read without having to go through all the pages.

If you want to contact us add Skype: division30smailbox and leave a message.

Please refrain from asking why you were not considered, those requests will not be answered. Everything else will be dealt with such as members not complying to rules.

For a rule upate:
If a member proposes a 2nd table to a Sitlister and the Sitlister declines, the member can decline a rematch at any point even before 30 mins.

I send message to division30smailbox, no one reply，my ps ID is HFKLllll, I think I should in the 30s div, who should I talk to? can some one give me a skype?

Trying to understand your English here but its a bit hard, hopefully my answer will be the answer that you are looking for either way.
If a player is kicked from a division the games that you have played against this player WHILE he was in the division will still count. So there is no risk of playing 1k games vs someone.

lol, this is so bad it's funny.

First of all I really dont agree with you. 30s has had the sickest waitlist ever these last days (since spin n gos and the general drop of action). It is really important that an EV division gets established at this level since it is a system that automatically kicks out weak bumhunters with time from that level.
In most countries it is in by no doubts possible to make a living from playing 15 dollar hypers as long as you multi table and put up a lof of volume with high roi. Aslong as it is possible to make enough money on a level to make a living I think its also possible for a division to be formed for that level. However in the case of 15$ the waitlist has always been super fast, although this might change with a 30s division and weaker regs being knocked down. If it would ever come to that day when 15$ waitlist gets so long that people consider the need for a division it is also likely that the fish population of 15$ will have dropped to such a low player pool that it would be pretty hard to make a living on 15$ either way. With all these arguments I would say that a division on 15$ is highly unlikely but I wouldn´t say that it is impossible. Hyper heads up sit and gos are extermly competitive .

To your last question - There is no division at PS that is currently sitting members from higher divisions at their level. It is ofc allowed to do so though if you think that a specific member is weak.

loved it

not supporting the wannabe elite could be fatal, think about it twice

Does it mean is not worth to aspire for 30$ and is better to become the member of higher division straightaway, since it gives untouchable rights downward?

I think this is wrong and if somebody doesnt belong to division he/she should be treated as a contender. By not sitting regs from higher limits means you have double standards.

The higher stakes divisions regs already proved that they are good (can war, etc), guys with 2% ROI from the 15s didn't, that's why the former are not being sat. Not because of "double standards"

Correct in a way, if you think you have a decent chance of entering a higher division and the bankroll for it it is always the better choice to go for the highest possible division. Ofc it is worth to try for the 30s division though. The lowest division is usually not super profitable to be in during the first 3 months or so since it is always a ton of reg battle but it always turns out pretty good after a while. 60s was the lowest division for a really long time, the first months were pretty bad with at least 40% vs SL for everyone. After a while however it was possible to have something like 5% vs SL if you were considered a strong regular at 60s.

There was a question earlier asking if 60s and 100s have gained anything from forming their divisions. It is obviously impossible to compare it against years back when the player pool was super huge. if dont compare it to something like that I would say that being in a division as a strong regular is indeed very profitable as opposed to not having a division at the level at all.
There was a time period after the introduction of EV system and before the major action drop that occurred sometime during the summer where the action often made it possible for a strong 60 reg to have 4 or more tables running at 60s vs fish. So yes the 60d has benefited a lot from creating their division although it has been under attack a lot.

The situation sucked for 60d division back in the time when 100d division didnt have an EV system and it was close to impossible to enter 100$ division while 60d cleaned up 60d lobbies for 100d. The situation became a lot better and more reasonable though after 100d started an EV system and the complainments from 60d towards 100d were more or less reduced to 0 since that. Sadly the 100d guys dont get treated as well by the 200d division but this is not the right place to discuss that .

Do you think that the guys playing higher are there just by chance? (not that it isn't possible, but it becomes less and less likely in the current climate). Do you think that the average 300s reg should prove himself to the 60s regs so he can open sit 60s?

300s reg not,
but im pretty sure the strongest regs at 30s could beat the weakest regs at 60s
so letting them opensit makes no sence
they have to battle them when they want to play 60s but not play them on
30s?
especially if the whole reason they created this group is to clear lobbies

^^
True and valid for most levels. Just the battling goes on the higher level played for obvious reasons. However if someone is that weak everyone is allowed to sit him at all levels of course.

No answer from division30smailbox. Cool.

Just sniped forzadani3 to battle.

Repeatedly asked him in chat for 2 tables and got blanked then he declined me.



is he definitely in division?

* sniped him again, still no response in chat and he has again declined me.

He has no chat on he told via skype

Okay, he might want to change that given people will be asking for 2 tables since the division has began. If you could pass on to him that I'm requesting a 2 tabling session for minimum 30 minutes I would appreciate it.

After having checked some stats I wonder why some division members grind 15s while adding a few 30s.. This the way to clean lobbies?

Please update post #1 with relevant information. Like, who's in the division etc. Don't want to read 12 pages with someone crying for not getting in.

Thanks in advance.

Wrote in chat, seems not to be online..