Given that he didn't know about the situation, I really, really doubt he was sit declining that much and that long that he should be banned. To be honest I think very few people should be banned at least for life for sit declining - mostly guys doing it day in day out non stop for extensive period of time.

Have you talked with any of the leaders? If you really haven't sit decline anyone for 6 months you shouldn't be denied action (most offenders got couple months penalty)

I always thought that Ignorantia juris non excusat but I guess Ludacris put some viable legal advice in his lyrics

Wow. If this is the sort of influence Cartels have over play then Stars should seriously consider increasing rake.

expect in this case he was unaware that there was an obscure, secretive 2nd legislature publishing its laws in posts buried in a long thread on a poker forum.

Even if people actually cheated in the game (worst penalty possible), raising rake seems to be the stupidest recommendation any person could make.

I can see people thinking "ban a division" or "ban a player" or something, but raising rake, really? Terrible suggestion that would hurt every single player.

Also to the player inquiring, he should probably PM or skype the relevant people. If he disagrees with their actions, then post publicly. Thread is not the quickest way to reach people (forums are never the quickest way).

I'd be surprised if some guy was banned for 6 months for sit declining once. Prolly much ado about nothing (but if he is banned, post publicly who said he is banned and who is responsible, so they can answer to the community).

I have recently discovered this google document: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...y9s/edit#gid=0

On there (bottom right, under "Rules for Members") it states that "If a known sit/decliner wants to get in, the members have to start giving him action after the 3rd month from the time he sat/declined for the last time and if he manages to fulfill the criteria he can become a member after the 6th month".

So this would mean I would be eligible to join, if/when I have fulfilled the entry requirements, and that I shouldn't be denied action from members at this point in time.

As it happens, since my original post in this thread about this whole situation, almost all members have been giving me plenty of action.

Seems like a fair rule, 3 months for sit declining is about right imo.

calm down, guys.

we discussed the matter the last days and decided collectively, that RawPaleo can battle his way into the div without any restrictions. we all believe he didnt do it on purpose.

so, RawPaleo, our members have to give you action.

case closed. *lawandordersound

After reading the way this recent "rules" controversy has played out, I am inclined to paraphrase the famous Groucho Marx quote:

"I don't care to belong to any cartel that has so many d-bags as members."

Ok, thanks for clarifying that.

hi guys. so, I realized I was sit-declining a bit in the past months without know anything about the cartel/the rule concerning sit-decline, and probably due to that I am now getting declined by the members. I don't do this now, and I do want to play more regularly. So I am asking if I could be removed from the 'blacklist' or whatever it is called. Thank you. my id is ggwp102

Dear Sirs, would you be as kind and comment on the following:

IQrobot: (after getting declined) action pls
YourMUM1sFAT: no
IQrobot: why
YourMUM1sFAT: because you are not sitlister
IQrobot: well then add me on your list lol
YourMUM1sFAT: lol no
YourMUM1sFAT: wait, I will ask
IQrobot: I hereby kindly ask to get action from the div
YourMUM1sFAT: I´ve just ask if I should give u action, wait pls
YourMUM1sFAT: :-)
YourMUM1sFAT: ok
YourMUM1sFAT: answer
YourMUM1sFAT: nobody needs to give u action

@prosvk I would also appreciate a comment on my PM, here once again:

Sir I highly doupt it is etiquette to decline me after 5 games - you sat me by the way - using derisive chat in a standard spot ("easy"); you did lose in ev by the way. Simply decline next time.

This still applies.

Also interested if this means I can freeroll whole day or get sit declined by the div;
hard times playing some heads up hypers..

do you want to get into division? if not, it is not breaking the rules to decline you a rematch.

Ok, let's play some HU4rollz if you feel offended.

The $30 guys are looking like dickheads tbh.

You are in a division because you are meant to be one of the better players not in any of the higher divisions. Except vs sit decliners, there should be no excuse for not giving action unless you are playing another sitlister.

Sort it out ffs.

Dear Sir, I highly value your overture that I respectfully have to deny; I also do not feel offended, your declining rather is an anticlimax in my daily grind; nonetheless I would appreciate - as already clarified - not being declined continuously.
Frankly speaking I have to admit that at present serving in your circle is not my intention as I consider myself to be a Spin&Go reg these days; however HU Hypers are a great, challenging amusement and I am thrilled to put in 2k games besides grinding Spins for competition against 30$ level.
GL guys!

Lemme clarify the situation.

1. IQrobot is sit-decliner

2. I sat him and he did not ask me for more tables or any action. He did not join me, when I opensat.

3. As a 30s div leader, I have never had any infraction and I always have no problem w giving action.


Despite of the fact, I don't play 30s these days. I offer you unlimited action on 30s, everytime you want. Add me on skype.


@pies01 yeah, in most of the time. But not in this case.

Sry guys, any further comment is not worth the situation; yesterday your members did not know whether to play me or not, was not mentioned in any of your excel sheets, today I am "sit decliner" - have not played a game since then.. Apart from that my request was streight away and fairly polite!
What an ego do you have to think this is about u?

there are hundreds of different random guys playing 30s, its hard to recognize everyone by name when youre multitabling. so if we dont remember/recognize anyone, we just ask.
its not that you were just an unknown yesterday and someone said "sit/decliner" and from that moment on youre a s/d, you did that various times before and i don't remember you being too nice in chat. or maybe im just mixing u up too

No problem Malte; just want to make clear that "sit-declining" in my case should then be due to manually regging 30s besides other formats; so surely I sat some div members due to manually being too late and declined rematch but I did not pick up any member on purpose what is my interpretation of real sit-declining.

Anyway using sharky so there should not be further issues and you have a 3 months period policy for bad guys like me so everything should be fine then..
One thing to mention: Sitting so called "sit decliners" when protecting the lobby, taking 10sec. for any action, then declining rematch, then picking up again and so on should not be the way to go.

I probably will fulfill chip EV requirements in the next 2-3 weeks. Do I (only) have to wait 3 months or do I have to put in another 2k games after the waiting period?

Cheers!

Does sit-declining create some sort of advantage? Why is it an issue?

Answer still much appreciated