Could someone contact me from 30s cartel leaders? I can't sent message, because I just registered and I want to apply to become cartel member. I want that my candidature was just considered. TY

me too, ty

Same interest (skype tafka31)

Just waited for it.. now theres a 30s mafia coming, good job and very morally


guess Stars will getting much more complains now

+1

Quoting my tilt posts not gonna help you kobmish, still not justifying cartels, sorry bro ^^

Games before division started should definitely count if the division want an effective division, as soon as possible. I guess there could be set a line back in time tho, like last year/last 6 months or so

I feel theres something strange with the bolded declarations

So how do u know if someone with 2% roi has played against regs

70% , 50% ,25% of games ??

Are u reviewing the whole database for each player ?

Or a guy says hey i have 1.5% i played against regs and u believe him ? (lol)

And the other has 5% u assume he only plays fish ?

Lets suppose u have 2% and played 50% against regs how do u know 50% of those regs where actually almost fish (names like lumibox came to mind)
or actually decent regs ?

For the same token having 2% against very weak regs ir probably bad

This leads me to the second bold part , ofc they have but u must define regs

is razynka a reg? is lumibox a reg ? is mariob12 a reg ?

The list goes on i dont think they are and i think 2% against those guys is not good over large samples (500 games +)

U will not find many players with 5% and most of players dont want to sit them much while they also probly prefer to play some1 and win 7% than 1.5% so the fair answer is this

Take a guy with 5% and see the % of games he played against fish and regs
then see what % are good regs or not then the respectiv roi against each population

Do the same for a guy with 2% and draw your conclusions

ROI is the best measure there is if u dont do this u simply are making a mistake

You should clearly state who are the leaders so everyone knows
and i do feel all good players left out should start by sitting the weakest leaders cuz they are he responsible for not being professional and making strange decisions imo (some guys on the list are a laugh)


My advice to all the guys left out is simple , look for the weak guys
2% or less and sit the weakest relentessly

-1% in 2800 games is perfectbly doable if u play well.

ye coz its so unfair to 3,50$ "regs" ...

Leaders?
List?

First off, there are still people under consideration (as you can imagine the player pool in 30s is big). Also there was /is a voting procedure in place for suggested people to join. This is the case to make it more fair.

Obv. Im not going to discuss any of that in detail nor discuss about any names. Also you guys need to stop PM me. I dont suggest/recommend anyone. There are more competent people with more knowledge about the community than me, so please take it up with them (as soon as we have the list ready). Please stop "demanding" that for a certain point in time cuz as far as i know, none of the other cartels released this publicly (on time or at all).

Where do these names come from?
Is this division an advancement of the "30$ "reg" skype group" created in another forum a few months ago?

So the 30s list will be some sort of secret?
Fwiw 60s public list, been there and frequently updated for long long time:
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...BLUFYblE#gid=0

Also considering that other divisions started with completely different requirements, I think it makes perfect sense in this case to post the list, once ready, so everyone knows who to target.

Obv cant ask us to produce certain results vs a group that is secret. I need to know who to sit or this will be hard

Sent from my GT-I9505 using 2+2 Forums

its funny that im not in maybe and i'll get in 60s very soon!!!
btw congratz for your criteria...fair enough

I apologize to these guys cuz i should not have put theyr names here

They are just weak imo and i mentioned theyr names as to give examples
sitting these guys and say u play against regs is at best funny

I have sited them countless times and they r not regs

I tried to edit the post but it was too l8 so ill contact the admin

Its not only about me. I am speaking in general. I think every poker player on Stars can say what he thinks about the topic. And I haven't heard ever since a valid argument for this kind of "betrayal". What I have read in the PokerStars Improvement thread didn't really leaded anywhere. Basically "cartells" are a compromise for regs because no one (including Stars) know a better solution so far.

Well, maybe there will be one soon after player meetings at PokerStars. Hope they will find a fair answer for everyone. (Dont't get me wrong, if I would be a scared 30s+ reg I would love cartells, but for new players, weaker regs, recreational players etc. its simply unacceptable) Cheers

How was the players being voted was chosen in the first place?

Is it possible to apply? lol

Im sorry but this is what you have completely wrong. If you were a scared reg you would hate cartels and move down. If you were a strong reg you would like it because it gets the weak or "scared" regs to move away and stop taking a share of fish they dont realy deserve

Sure if u are a weak reg who somehow gets into the initial group u might love it. Not for long tho.

And no im still not in any division

Sent from my GT-I9505 using 2+2 Forums

Thank you for this lovely quote. I am really surprised your are not in a "division" (nice word, i know) with that thinking.

Information: Fair is a "share of fish" for anyone. Hope PS will intervene one day.

Anyway GL everyone at the tables .. oh wait.

The husng community values strongly your opinion, based on your obvious high intelligence and vast experience with husngs at different levels over many years. We are very grateful for your input. One thing we kindly ask is when you go and email stars now, voicing your completely justified concerns, that you don't forget adding that you think stars is rigged and there are protected weak players. There is only one way this community goes forward and it is by listening to members like you. Cheers.

Once list is annouced please point out who is the weakest link there. Community cannot tolerate incompetence by leaders.

Hi I'm hernan_ivey:

I have a roy 6.6% in 4141 games (hit me recently scheduled to earn this spot).
The last few weeks I have not played practically personal problems I hope that is not outside the cartel.

skipe ID: Apelarse83