$30 Hypers - Board pairs on the turn

[DarkSide11]

Early in the game. Do you lead the turn or do you check/fold?

Poker Stars, $29.37 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13283652

Hero (BB): 470 (23.5 bb)
Lis28121971 (SB): 530 (26.5 bb)

Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 6
Lis28121971 raises to 40, Hero calls 20

Flop: (80) J 8 A (2 players)
Hero checks, Lis28121971 checks

Turn: (80) 8 (2 players)

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[theMAGICman]

check/fold

[thia]

we have no showdown value so seems to be good to lead/fold the turn...

[yay]

randoms checkback alot more other stuff besides bot pair, def bet here. not sure about river play though

[stone75]

I think if we lead turn (what we should imo) and got called we have to bet most rivers.

[ticsinki]

3bet pre vs an unknown

[yay]

yeah was thinking more about sizing and what rivers we shouldn't bet @ stone75

[Carlos_Tevez]

Originally Posted by yay

randoms checkback alot more other stuff besides bot pair, def bet here. not sure about river play though

i agree with this, river can be difficult though because of King high floats and him possibly having Jx 8x or hands like QT KT that bink rivers and so on.

i don't like betting turn and not betting river, but i'm not particularly comfortable about betting the river once called on this turn, especially on cards like K T Q A J 8 which is a lot lol

i don't like check/folding the turn though because he will fold it enough when we bet and we can continue betting on some rivers, this might be wrong tho.

[stone75]

I think i make a weakish 45-50% bet on turn to keep in small pocketpairs and Kx, and bomb the river 3/4+ to make him fold exactly this hand, and I can't see River Cards that stop me from barreling here in this situation. I think he c-bets Ax and Jx on this board, 8x becomes unlikely on the turn, so i put him on a lot of Kx, Qx or small pocket pairs.

But I am not sure about my line, if someone think it is stupid go ahead and let me know

[Carlos_Tevez]

Originally Posted by stone75

I think i make a weakish 45-50% bet on turn to keep in small pocketpairs and Kx, and bomb the river 3/4+ to make him fold exactly this hand, and I can't see River Cards that stop me from barreling here in this situation. I think he c-bets Ax and Jx on this board, 8x becomes unlikely on the turn, so i put him on a lot of Kx, Qx or small pocket pairs.

But I am not sure about my line, if someone think it is stupid go ahead and let me know

i like bettting twice my only holdup is people go into station mode when the board pairs.

not sure if i want to induce calls with a small turn bet either. prefer to just bet it 50% and see immediate folds.

are you going to bet again on these rivers: K T Q A J 8 ?

[stone75]

yeah, this is a different scenario imo like a low paired board. He has a hard time calling a big river bet even with Kx if he hits the K on the river. We are repping every single possible value hand after barrelling turn and river. Only disgusting cards are A and 8 imo.

[Orsulab3rt]

Im betting turn and river here,stone explained it well imo.

[yay]

8 sucks to barrel on river yeah, would prob do the same line as stone explained. 40>80 on the turn, when called 120>180 or something. 150 might look stronger and be worth the 30 chips.

[Nikiforos86]

bet and bet river

[Nikiforos86]

prolly making turn bet quite big cos he will fold on a lot of rivers so it's a value bet