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07-05-2012, 07:14 AM
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: israel
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30$ 2 hands.
hey
1. villian is a winning reg,3b 3-4 times [35 hands] first time i call.
chk? bet ? size?
Poker Stars $28.78+$1.22 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t20/t40 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1813501
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BB: t1825 45.62 BBs
Hero (BTN/SB): t1175 29.38 BBs
Pre Flop: (t60) Hero is BTN/SB with Q  K
Hero raises to t80, BB raises to t200, Hero calls t120
Flop: (t400) 4  4  8 (2 players)
BB bets t160, Hero calls t160
Turn: (t720) 6 (2 players)
BB checks, [color=red]Hero ??
2. villian is kind of regish, btn 76%, bb 31% and 3b 25% over 350 hands.
call 3b super wide saw him with 52s 89o 53s.
Poker Stars $28.78+$1.22 No Limit Hold'em Tournament - t10/t20 Blinds - 2 players - View hand 1813502
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Hero (BB): t1300 65 BBs
BTN/SB: t1700 85 BBs
Pre Flop: (t30) Hero is BB with K  A
BTN/SB raises to t60, Hero raises to t180, BTN/SB calls t120
Flop: (t360) T  8  T (2 players)
Hero bets t180, BTN/SB calls t180
Turn: (t720) 2 (2 players)
[color=red]Hero ??
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07-05-2012, 01:25 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Jun 2012
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
1: Villain 3bet's 10% so he's got Ax or PP a ton here so you don't have much sd value against him and he's less likely to pay you off if you hit your money card on the river. So I would bet that turn for sure and call a shove. As for bet-sizing, I'm thinking a good slight overbet of 450-500 will work well against a winning reg in this spot.
2: Since he calls 3bets super-wide, 3bet big like 4x. Flop, I'd go for a smaller bet. Turn, since he likes to call 3bets with suited and connectors and SCs likely, I don't want to check to him, and obviously the Ac gives us good motive to barrel this spot, doesn't have to be big, again about 2/5 pot should do the trick.
PS: if we did not have Ac, this would be a much tougher hand but I'd still barrel that turn, likely will fire all 3 streets if I miss and I perceive he is vulnerable (like river card is red, Q/J).
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07-06-2012, 02:11 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: Oct 2011
Location: avatar police
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
You can't rep PP or 8 ott in first hand and you probably behind his 3b range so check is ok to catch.
Second hand I would play differently pre. If he calls 3bets wide, go for bigger sizing. I would make it 210. As played I would 3barrel this board.
You did't provide any data how does villain reacts to betting on 2 streets, some regs really need 2 bets to fold
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07-06-2012, 09:05 AM
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grinder
Join Date: Feb 2011
Posts: 493
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
Im bet calling booth
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07-06-2012, 09:59 AM
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journeyman
Join Date: May 2012
Posts: 270
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
Hand 1 imo is wholely dependant on villain and your image. A villain who can handread will realise how polarised your range is here, how weak he looks and how few hands you're flatting pre and calling down with on this board not to mention how exploitable cbetting and giving up ott is on this board . Like if I'm villain and I know you're an aggro thinking reg I check my entire range to you ott here anticipating you're likely to barrel a good chunk of your range at some point that I otherwise struggle to get value from, and bet everything I get value from anyway, Also from villains perspective even his bluffs can c/jam the turn to get right of last initiative and stop you from jamming with air and folding him out, since alot of the time in this spot neither of you have an actual hand. If villain is fishier,weaker or a poor handreader you likely get a lot more FE when you bet the turn which will make your play alot higher EV. Either way vs a fish, or a reg I'm b/c we have alot of equity on a board that neither player connects with that often. Only reason not to bet in my opinion is if you think villain will always vbet the river when you check behind, and not bluff hardly ever since you look to have a little more sdv when you check , this way you get paid when you hit quite frequently and have a spot to bluff on alot of rivers that is better than this one.
Hand 2: b/c seems fine, if he is very floaty and aggro then maybe c/jamming is better but I'm not sure how aggro and floaty he has to be for that.
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07-07-2012, 09:25 AM
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'12 HU Forum Champ
Join Date: Sep 2009
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
Shouldn't you know that you're betting the turn if he does not barrel floating like that 1st hand?
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07-07-2012, 02:56 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 322
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
def check hand 1
hand 2 i would probably checkjam
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07-08-2012, 12:55 PM
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veteran
Join Date: Feb 2010
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
Quote:
Originally Posted by ohmyquad
You can't rep PP or 8 ott in first hand and you probably behind his 3b range so check is ok to catch.
Second hand I would play differently pre. If he calls 3bets wide, go for bigger sizing. I would make it 210. As played I would 3barrel this board.
You did't provide any data how does villain reacts to betting on 2 streets, some regs really need 2 bets to fold
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Why can't we rep 8x in the first hand?
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07-08-2012, 01:17 PM
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grinder
Join Date: Jan 2012
Posts: 509
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
There shouldn't be a lot of 8x in our perceived 3-bet calling range.
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villian is a winning reg, 3b 3-4 times [35 hands] first time i call.
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07-08-2012, 02:00 PM
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: israel
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
so? T8 89 A8 K8s Q8s J8s 78s ..
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07-09-2012, 12:56 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
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Originally Posted by mela
Why can't we rep 8x in the first hand?
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What 8 hero has in his range when he flats 3bet and just flats that flop, 88? I can see ppl flating w 8 here sometimes, but not often enough to rep it. Same for 99 or TT (if you ever flat pre this hands). Decent reg will realize you float with ovecards here and now wake up. You can be easily check raised on this turn. If he checks twice to us, we could win this at showdown.
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07-09-2012, 01:24 PM
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adept
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: israel
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
All the hands above in my flatting range against him
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07-09-2012, 01:42 PM
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journeyman
Join Date: Oct 2011
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
flat both pre and post on this flop?
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07-09-2012, 02:11 PM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Oct 2009
Location: it is ofc not about the move
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
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Originally Posted by icoon
def check hand 1
hand 2 i would probably checkjam
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this.
He's going to have sdv pretty often in hand 1 and be willing to call + getting c/shoved on is REALLY bad for us.
hand 2 let him bet his floats and SD's/FD's, then jam for FE and so he can't leverage you OTR. You also own his draws and your outs are extremely obvious so letting him decide river IP is going to make him play extremely well.
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07-10-2012, 02:22 AM
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Pooh-Bah
Join Date: Jun 2009
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Re: 30$ 2 hands.
agree with hand 1, but idk why you want to c/r hand 2... i don't think he bets expecting us to ever fold... the flush got there so his bet carries more weight imo... you could probably bet and then c/c a bunch of rivers vs some floaty people... vs stabby people you could probably c/c and they would think you're never folding any rivers... also shoving hand 2 doesn't seem too bad
Last edited by skater3598; 07-10-2012 at 02:28 AM.
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