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Old 07-05-2012, 06:34 PM   #16
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Re: $3.50 hyper, Calling down with KJs, thoughts?

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Does being a reg not push you towards wanting to call the river? I've noticed a lot of randoms at these stakes don't bluff a ton of busted draws, being a winning reg I reasoned that this frequency is going to be higher (than population average) since my hand looks pretty much like a high card and he can bet his entire range here. Based on previous hands I'm not expecting him to bet Ax here.

Cheers for all input so far guys.
Given how he should perceive your range this sizing is going to be for value way too often.

Calling turn because we still have equity when beat and his turn betting range =/= his river betting range. That said I'd fold turn, if I mis-clicked and didn't cbet, if he bet a normal size (reads 1/2 pot or >). As played, I'd keep an open mind to calling some rivers depending on sizing (but given THIS sizing I'm snap folding).
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Old 07-05-2012, 08:23 PM   #17
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Re: $3.50 hyper, Calling down with KJs, thoughts?

This hand was against me, those stats don't accurately reflect how I play. I'm much looser IP and also a bit looser OOP. I think I may have had some bad card distribution during our matches which brought the stats down.

My thinking at the time was that Bluenowhere would have bet any 9 or draw on the flop (+ a lot of air), so I could either get him to fold his hand or was betting for value. I won't say which as it will likely skew the discussion.

And yes, there are a few thinking players at $3.50. We're just learning somewhere it doesn't cost much to be wrong
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Old 07-05-2012, 08:55 PM   #18
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Re: $3.50 hyper, Calling down with KJs, thoughts?

^ if there is leveling going on then it's up to OP to identify it. a HUGE majority of 3.5$ players won't be on the level you're on, and calling the river would still be a general mistake with the info we were provided imo
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Old 07-07-2012, 03:09 AM   #19
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This entire thread is a level. OP sucks at HU poker...

I think he made the wrong decision on every street tbh
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Old 07-07-2012, 04:16 AM   #20
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Re: $3.50 hyper, Calling down with KJs, thoughts?

It's a $3.50, we're learning and supposed to make mistakes, that's what the forum is for.
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Old 07-07-2012, 06:14 AM   #21
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Re: $3.50 hyper, Calling down with KJs, thoughts?

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This entire thread is a level. OP sucks at HU poker...

I think he made the wrong decision on every street tbh
no u suck

and dumb motha ****as its a ****in check on the flop vs a reg, last time i write strat in a thread
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Old 07-07-2012, 06:20 AM   #22
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Re: $3.50 hyper, Calling down with KJs, thoughts?

River sizing smells more like a thin value bet, than a bluff. Overall, if it was deep and not a hyper it could be a call simply to learn what he has there. Otherwise, you should have some reads to make this call.
Is he likely to check back A-high or small pp or weak pocket pair, all the way? Or will he bet it otr? If he will, what sizing? How often does he bet turn vs missed cbet, how ofter he barrels river? Does he show up with 9-high type hands in this spot?

Is he a thinking player? Does he know what you do with showdown value, and whether you call underbets with it?
Readless I'd fold here. If it becomes frequent, I'd call with ace high or weak pp, etc. If he's likely to check down his sd/middling hands, but very often bets vs missed cbet - bets his air and 2nd pair GK+, it's a call w/ K high.

But yeah, bet flop. How much he flats/3bets OOP, though? And how likely is he to bluff missed draw on the river?..
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Old 07-07-2012, 06:42 AM   #23
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Chadders is right, why would u want to cbet here vs a reg?
Flop hits his range hard, so he will be checkraising a ton and we cant really continue vs a checkraise, but if we check back we get to realize our equity for free. We have 6 outs to toppair+ 4 outs to an ace, when the board pairs or we turn a straightdraw we have a reasonable chance of winning the pot as well so the ev of checking back is not that bad and most likely better than the ev of cbetting.

(note that with more reads it can become closer, the ev of cbetting goes up when he has a donkbetrange here(which i guess he should have in theory but most people dont ( and ofc they shouldnt if everyone is cbetting this kind of.hands here) , and the more he checkcalls draws/7x rather than checkraises them.
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Old 07-07-2012, 07:03 AM   #24
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Re: $3.50 hyper, Calling down with KJs, thoughts?

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This entire thread is a level. OP sucks at HU poker...

I think he made the wrong decision on every street tbh
You should probably stick to nvg tbh. did you feel the need to make another comment because nobody responded to your first comment?
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Old 07-07-2012, 09:31 AM   #25
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Re: $3.50 hyper, Calling down with KJs, thoughts?

Posting some <3 for chadders and icoon itt. Good solid strat, w/ pretty sound logic. Keep yer skirt on though chadders.
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Old 07-08-2012, 12:33 AM   #26
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Lol at not betting the flop.
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Old 07-08-2012, 04:56 AM   #27
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Re: $3.50 hyper, Calling down with KJs, thoughts?

this is close to the middle of your range, and you arent folding out many hands that beat you. what is the purpose of the bet? are the C-Bettors Betting 100% of their range here?
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Old 07-08-2012, 06:03 AM   #28
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Re: $3.50 hyper, Calling down with KJs, thoughts?

Wp. If you talk to him on Skype this river bet sizing is prob bluffier.
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Old 07-08-2012, 12:47 PM   #29
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Re: $3.50 hyper, Calling down with KJs, thoughts?

My default play would be to check back for reasons mentioned above. This flop hits his range harder and we can improve with our sdv by checking back. Ace on the turn will help us too, as we have wayyyy more Ax in our range than he does.
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Old 07-08-2012, 03:25 PM   #30
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He's double barrelling there pretty much everytime. So you either call both. Or fold turn
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