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Old 06-26-2012, 09:01 AM   #1
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$1turbo,hit top pair weak kicker on postflop

    IPoker, $1 Buy-in (20/40 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #13340252

    Hero (BB): 1,325 (33.1 bb)
    SB: 1,675 (41.9 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with Q 4
    SB raises to 80, Hero calls 40

    Flop: (160) J 3 Q (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 40, Hero calls 40

    Turn: (240) 3 (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB checks

    River: (240) 6 (2 players)
    Hero bets 80, SB calls 80

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    flop:i hit top pair weak kicker,i decided to play passive,because the flop board is very dry ,so there is no scare card on turn for me,i dont need to protect my made hand .and my kicker is so weak,if i check-raise on flop ,and villain jam.it it hard to play.i want to go to showdown cheaply

    turn:turn card may be villain's flop cbet range.so i check for information,if villain check behind,i maybe ahead villain's range

    river:i am sure my hand is better than him.so i bet for value

    but what betsize is best on river??
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    Old 06-26-2012, 09:12 AM   #2
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    Re: $1turbo,hit top pair weak kicker on postflop

    Try to avoid terms you do not understand - it is very hard to follow your thinking while reading what you write. Spend some time on reading other topics/books and try to learn when and how to use all those terms.
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    Old 06-26-2012, 09:18 AM   #3
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    Try to avoid terms you do not understand - it is very hard to follow your thinking while reading what you write. Spend some time on reading other topics/books and try to learn when and how to use all those terms.
    sorry,i am chinese,my english is not good,but i love poker,i want to improve my poker skills
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    Old 06-26-2012, 09:24 AM   #4
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    Dont have to be sorry - keep on learning.

    There are still scary cards - any K and any A are pretty much scary cards. With no reads on villain it is hard to say what does this 40 cbet mean. Half pot raise on a river should work same way as this 80 bet but it is 40 extra chips for u.
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    Old 06-26-2012, 09:30 AM   #5
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    Dont have to be sorry - keep on learning.

    There are still scary cards - any K and any A are pretty much scary cards. With no reads on villain it is hard to say what does this 40 cbet mean. Half pot raise on a river should work same way as this 80 bet but it is 40 extra chips for u.
    thanks for your reply

    is my flop and turn play right??
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    Old 06-26-2012, 09:42 AM   #6
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    You do not give any reads on villain in your hands. It is hard to say whether it is played ok or not if we dont know anything about a villain. Against some villains it is ok, against some it could be better.
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    Old 06-26-2012, 11:28 AM   #7
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    I would raise his flop bet, or plan to lead most turns and rivers.

    as played I think ur river size is ok if you want to get value from AX/small PP's. If you want to just get max value from JX bet about 3/4 pot because I don't think JX folds here
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    Old 06-26-2012, 04:41 PM   #8
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    Wang, I agree with the way you think of the hand for the most part.

    The main point where I don't agree is with the flop call. The cbet is so small it is unlikely a better hand. Most villains will call a raise to 120 with 3x, Jx and straight draws. It's a mandatory raise versus a baby bet (without more reads).

    The board ran out very good, which makes villain more likely to call with 22, 44, 55, 77, 88-TT and Jx on the river. His hand is still weak, but he will call himself into a call on a slightly bigger bet. I'd go 100/240.
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    Old 06-26-2012, 08:41 PM   #9
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    Wang, I agree with the way you think of the hand for the most part.

    The main point where I don't agree is with the flop call. The cbet is so small it is unlikely a better hand. Most villains will call a raise to 120 with 3x, Jx and straight draws. It's a mandatory raise versus a baby bet (without more reads).

    The board ran out very good, which makes villain more likely to call with 22, 44, 55, 77, 88-TT and Jx on the river. His hand is still weak, but he will call himself into a call on a slightly bigger bet. I'd go 100/240.
    thanks very much
    a baby bet means a small bet??is my thought right??
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    Old 06-26-2012, 11:19 PM   #10
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    That's correct!
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    Old 06-27-2012, 08:37 PM   #11
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    agree w pd's and quimp's reasoning, ur size kinda depends on how much of his range do you think Jx is. thus I'd bet either like 99 or 240
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