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Old 07-24-2012, 04:54 PM   #1
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$15 turbo - facing3bet with open ended

So, villain was playing pretty standard, with an open raise of 93% over 29 hands, cbetting all the boards. Check behind once on 993 w KT.
I c/r once and he folded.
So, overall, what's the better aproach with an open endend on this board. Flat is better than raising?, because if he 3bets we are in a crappy spot.


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BTN/SB: t1569 31.38 BBs
Hero (BB): t1431 28.62 BBs

Pre Flop: (t75) Hero is BB with 8 7
BTN/SB raises to t100, Hero calls t50

Flop: (t200) 6 4 T (2 players)
Hero checks, BTN/SB bets t100, Hero raises to t280, BTN/SB raises to t650, [color=red]Hero ?

Is really fold an option?
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Old 07-25-2012, 01:07 AM   #2
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Re: $15 turbo - facing3bet with open ended

I don't really have an answer because I don't play turbos but here are a couple of thoughts:

1)
I don't think calling the 3b on flop is good, so if you jam:
Against most value ranges you seem to have 32% ish here which would give you 0.32 * 2862 = 915
given that you have 1051 behind , if you jam you need him to fold (1051-915)/(1130)=12%
I have no idea if he's going to fold 12% or not.
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As to flatting the cbet instead of check raising it:
you hit the turn with straight or pair 16/47=0.34
So you have immediate odds to flat and hit something and hope he doesn't have the mad skills to make your life ridiculously difficult when you hit a pair and at the same time avoid giving you action when you hit a straight.
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Old 07-25-2012, 03:55 AM   #3
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Re: $15 turbo - facing3bet with open ended

the fact that when u get 3bet on the flop itself, ure on ****, doesnt make the c/r bad.

as played fold. despite villains range being super draw heavy, ure very bad against flush draws.
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Old 07-25-2012, 06:46 AM   #4
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Re: $15 turbo - facing3bet with open ended

Not much to do here, but to fold. I like the c/r though, I'd make it a little smaller though. Something like 240-250 should accomplish the same thing. If the stacks were a little shallower I'd CRAI. Actually... on second thought I'd just CRAI the flop even with these stacks considering his high PFR and cbet.
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Old 07-25-2012, 11:54 AM   #5
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Re: $15 turbo - facing3bet with open ended

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Actually... on second thought I'd just CRAI the flop even with these stacks considering his high PFR and cbet.
accomplishing what? youre representing exactly what you have.

i think this looks pretty decent, although im not 100% sure.. I mean, i'd rather check/raise hands with less/no potential here like A4s or whatever. this seems like a waste of your hand
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Old 07-25-2012, 02:24 PM   #6
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Re: $15 turbo - facing3bet with open ended

what are villain tendencies when you donked the flop? (if any)

I guess id ship it on the flop, assuming we hitting our pair gives us the hand as well, we are doing bad only against fd
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