This is early on the match, but V looking really bad:

- He opened with A4 and didnt cbet flop K87 called lb on turn 3 and called river - 9
- he didnt 3bet pre AJ and called cbet on flop K43
- he mixing his open size 4x / 5x etc.

What line is best here guys?


PokerStars - $14.29+$0.71|10/20 NL (2 max) - Holdem - 2 players
Hand converted by PokerTracker 3

SB: 1,085.00
Hero (BB): 1,915.00

SB posts SB 10.00, Hero posts BB 20.00

Pre Flop: (30.00) Hero has Q T

SB calls 10.00, Hero raises to 70.00, SB calls 50.00

Flop: (140.00, 2 players) 6 9 8
Hero ???

Standard Cbet 80 and check turn if you dont make a pair or a staight.
I always wait until I really got something against those players because he wont fold a lot of stuff. So just wait for better spots to get your money in.

Given his passive tendencies, I would just check. I'd call a bet but I think we're going to see a check more often than a bet.

Thing is, we're not going to get many folds when we c-bet because the flop hits a random hand quite well and we can't barrel without hitting (and a T ott isn't the best card). I'd expect villain to check back with some hands that would call a bet, probably including 6x.

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Check is optimal option because if we cbet he is often raising and we cant continue. Thanks guys!

There are some statements in this thread where i need some further information from you guys, because i do not agree unless you explain me your thought process better ...


@Quimp
"Given his passive tendencies i would just check"

If he is passive he will not raise us a high% of time so betting for value with our draw and overcard(s) doesn't seem bad to me - I mean, we have a lot of equity and he will not raise us off our hand all that often.

"I'd expect villain to check back with some hands that would call a bet, probably
including 6x. "

Our equity vs 6x is good, and we can fold out this specific hand easily on later streets.

"we can't barrel without hitting"
if he flat calls this flop i think his range is very capped and we can barrel a lot of turns (A,K,Q,J,7 and even other low cards that makes us flushdraws, or to set up a River jam)

@borell
"Check is optimal option because if we cbet he is often raising and we cant continue. Thanks guys!"

Why do you think he is raising often?

@Beeni
"I always wait until I really got something against those players because he wont fold a lot of stuff. So just wait for better spots to get your money in."

I generally don't like the "waiting for a better spot attitude". But especially in this case it's not like we flopped nothing. A double gutter with overcards (agreed one is bad) and backdoor flush draw is not that bad

stone75 Imo people on this stakes love to play connectors in 3bet spots and weak Villain range could easy be hands like - 96/76/75/86/98/T8/T7/ and hands like - JT/J9/Q9/K9 which i think he will raise. Sorry for bad english!

I just thought if he has a flushdraw hes gonna call flop and turn. Same thing if he has a 7. So we would have to fire three barrels if we dont hit anything. He could also just call us down with a 9/8+overcard but probably wouldnt bet if we just check the turn because its so wet and could get worse if a diamond hits or a T/7/5. So I would just Cbet and if he doesnt fold just take a free on the turn if we dont hit and re evaluate on the river.

^yeah, i think i am also c-betting , and depending on turn card i prolly barrel 3 streets

its a limp/called pot not a 3-bet pot. But i certainly agree that the first part of the range you put him makes a lot of sense for him to have.

Remains the question which of these hand he is raising our flop lead opposed to how many air he has + hands he just flats and does not raise.

I think he will raise all two pair+ hands and 97, good 9x, T7, JT and maybe 87 and and flat all the rest, if he is passive he might flat T7 and JT and we don't get raised off our hand all that often

CB is fine on this flop

Ye its not 3bet I was just a little bit tired after Euro Saturday, sorry I think on this flop we dont get many folds by the cbet especially if we know something about V - imo he is heavily loose - conclusion from He opened with A4 and didnt cbet flop K87 called lb on turn 3 and called river - 9 . Maybe im wrong but i`d like to check here and call his bet to see a turn.

That's what I had in mind too. If villain is able to call 2 streets with A-high on a bad board, surely he's not folding a lot on this flop and on many turns.

I can see the point for cbetting though.