There are some draws out there, but i think if we call the turn and flop we need to call the river...dunno, should i find a fold somewhere?

Fold to the 3bet otf. I like to check-call the flop, expecting villain to 2nd barrel a fair amount. In any case, I'm not looking to play a big pot.

you could just flat call the cbet but if you wanna reraise bet a bit more to get information. If he calls 140-150 be veryvery carefull with toppair and weak kicker.
If he 3bets me on the flop id probably just fold. Ijust dont think we would be good often enough to make it profitable.

c/c flop, don't turn your hand into a bluff.

What do you think about donk bet here?

don't see any value. just c/c, try to keep the pot small and don't turn your hand in to a bluff

Well i dont like the check call here, because there is a flush draw and also straight draw out there and that means many horrible turn cards. Thx for advices i think folding to the 3bet on flop seems fine especially this early at reg speed.

So you ask for opinions, 4 people say check-call and you "don't like it". Truth is, there's almost always some draws out there. 89, 8T, 9T and flush draws are a small part of his range. I'd rather face a turn bet than get called after check-raising the flop without a thoughtful plan for future streets.

As played, fold to flop 3bet, fold to turn bet, fold to river bet.

def c\c flop.
so when u c\r and he shove i guess u snap call bcz the draws?

thing is, that you have to think of villain range, which is air, Jx, 3x, 7x, draws. and how many turn cards improve him? by raising, you're folding out his air and weaker hands, but you want to keep him bluffing.

OK ok so you c/c because you want him to continue bluffin, turn comes 9h (or lets say any ace or any king etc, so you cannot say i ve chosen the worst scenario ..)and he obviously bets. Now what do u do? fold? I am just saying that basicly any turn and river card higher than 7 and also 7 and 3 is gr8 card for him, so why just call there..

And also on the other site - if you are beat on the flop than isnt c/r and folding to 3bet actually saving your money? Rather than just giving him 2 or 3 streets of value?

there's hardly an absolute truth in poker, if any, but we don't fold flopped TP to a second barrel very often (of course there are exceptions). yeah, there's a lot of turn cards that suck for us because we're oop, but if you feel like folding J5 to his every turn bet on a "scary" card, you're doing it wrong. i'd peel off one more street and re-eval on the river.

mind you, people's range for double and triple barreling are way, way different.