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Old 07-23-2012, 12:58 AM   #1
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15$ linecheck

Villain is a smart guy , winning reg at this level according to SS, played 2 games with him , the first one I won out of having good cards , this hand is from the second one.

He is TAG , does not bet big unless he has a nutty hand , and (more important for this hand) he does not play top pair so fast even on a wet board ,he attack limps/weakness.

Please give me advice on this hand.

I figured he did not have top pair (my reads) , he probably played a flush draw for the fold equity, so the plan on turn was to shove any non spade river.


    Poker Stars, $14.39 Buy-in (15/30 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
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    Hero (SB): 1,730 (57.7 bb)
    BB: 1,270 (42.3 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is SB with 7 4
    Hero raises to 60, BB calls 30

    Flop: (120) 4 Q 3 (2 players)
    BB checks, Hero bets 30, BB raises to 120, Hero calls 90

    Turn: (360) 5 (2 players)
    BB bets 270, Hero calls 270

    River: (900) 7 (2 players)
    BB bets 420, Hero raises to 1,280 and is all-in, BB calls 400 and is all-in

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    Old 07-23-2012, 01:59 AM   #2
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    Re: 15$ linecheck

    Why not just call a non-spade river?
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    Old 07-23-2012, 02:42 AM   #3
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    Re: 15$ linecheck

    I dont know about the call on the turn, after a big check raise, and a good sized bet after, I think I would have folded there.
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    Old 07-23-2012, 06:37 AM   #4
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    Re: 15$ linecheck

    im folding the turn, dont expect villain to have a stonecold bluff here and on this turn most of his semi-bluffs seem to connect one way or another. youre not having enough equity with a mere gutshot and weak pair.

    also i dont like your inducing minbet on this flop, simply because of the fact that almost his entire range that will c/r here (and thus fall for your inducing minbet) has more equity than you
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    Old 07-23-2012, 07:39 AM   #5
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    Re: 15$ linecheck

    fold pre
    fold turn
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    Old 07-23-2012, 07:51 AM   #6
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    Re: 15$ linecheck

    I think if we are going to call the flop raise than we need to call the 5 clubs on the turn. I also fold pre and call the riv as 6x has the straight and the 420 looks like a value bet.
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    Old 07-23-2012, 09:04 AM   #7
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    I think if we are going to call the flop raise than we need to call the 5 clubs on the turn.
    why so? this could be the case on a complete blank, but the 5 is anything but a blank and improves his range a ****ton

    edit: and given the reads that "he does not bet big unless he has the nuts" his 3/4ths potbet should say us something
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    Old 07-23-2012, 09:51 AM   #8
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    Re: 15$ linecheck

    I was going to say his c/r range is more weighted to a fd than a straight draw, so I'm a lot more worried about a spade on the turn than a 5. I see what you mean though by the 30 flop bet inducing his entire range to c/r, so its just as likely he's doing this with his straight draws.
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    Old 07-23-2012, 11:02 AM   #9
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    Re: 15$ linecheck

    First of all I would fold pre.

    On flop bet half pot, a minbet can induce raises from many sort of hands and it is not really a strong enough hand to be facing a raise with. Then call raise according to his sizing. Are your reads really that strong that you can assume that he would not raise with top pair on this type of board when you are minbetting? It seems like something a smart guy would do

    On turn I would fold to his big bet, he could have some sort of straight draw on flop and hitting his 5 making a better pair than yours. Or just top pair.

    On river I wouldn't raise, simply because there is four to a straight and i would not expect a lot of times to be called by something worse or fold out something better.

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    Old 07-23-2012, 11:41 AM   #10
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    Re: 15$ linecheck

    Why most suggest to fold pre? op didn't say anything on his bb %.
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    Old 07-23-2012, 11:53 AM   #11
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    Re: 15$ linecheck

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    Why most suggest to fold pre? op didn't say anything on his bb %.
    exactly, so readless vs a reg I think it's fine to fold 74o pre, I prefer a 60 flop bet because we can barrel and we more easily know where we are in the hand, I doubt he would have C/r'd us if we bet 60, given your reads of him attacking weakness
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    Old 07-23-2012, 12:05 PM   #12
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    Re: 15$ linecheck

    readless i open 95-100%.
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    Old 07-23-2012, 08:39 PM   #13
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    Bet half pot otf, as played fold turn
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    Old 07-24-2012, 12:30 AM   #14
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    Re: 15$ linecheck

    Villian's play here is not TAG it's LAG. Have you mis-classified him? Did he adjust? Serious cause for concern, can't win if we misclassify a LAG as a TAG.

    Preflop raise is fine vs TAG. Folding is also fine. I don't expect TAG to call raise OOP with 73s. TAG reg I expect to call 1/2 pot with 40% underneath top 10% 3bet.

    Flop cbet is weird size. Why? How often do you do this underbet cbet thing? Anyway, normal is 1/2 pot. Board is wet so maybe 2/3 pot.

    Calling c/r is marginal vs TAG. FD, top pair, flush draw, flush draw + pair, set are all possible. TAG doesn't hit two pair on this board much. I don't think you have good equity his against range.

    Really hate turn call vs TAG. You have 3rd pair with 7 outs (can't count 6s 7s). Meh. When you improve, he'll dump missed draws a good chunk of time, so implied odds suffer.

    River jam is also tough, given that he's a TAG who's shown so much strength.
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