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Old 06-14-2012, 03:00 PM   #1
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$15 hyper: horrible horrible turn card

readless.

in retrospect with his flop sizing i prefer x/c. do we x/f now seeing as a T is never folding?


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Preflop: Hero is BB with 9 J
SB raises to 40, Hero calls 20

Flop: (80) Q 6 T (2 players)
Hero checks, SB bets 50, Hero raises to 160, SB calls 110

Turn: (400) Q (2 players)
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Old 06-14-2012, 04:45 PM   #2
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Re: $15 hyper: horrible horrible turn card

Just flat flop raise. If you had OESD with an overcard then you can go for the x/r, just not enough value for x/r imho.

Why is Tx never folding? I can see x=rag folding, maybe not good x. but even good x will fold to a barrel, which I presume you will be doing on most turns. on this turn, of course we see a terrible card so barreling is out of the question.
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Old 06-14-2012, 06:13 PM   #3
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Re: $15 hyper: horrible horrible turn card

I actually think we should c/r jam flop. We have enough pot equity vs likely calling ranges and we fold out a ton of hands given that readless I think villian will be cbetting a lot of hands here and folding to the jam with less than Qx and combo draw Tx.

C/r nonallin is fine too since we can barrel turns (not this one), it will be close in expectation but based on my calcs c/r jam should be a touch better just because we definitely fold out a good bit more of villains range than c/r nonallin even factoring in turn barrling. It's definitely close though.

C/call seems bad since we have such an awesome c/r opportunity with one of the nut best hands to semibluff on a board where we'll have great fold equity. But it's obviously a bit hard to quantify this, we do get some implied odds from flatting and most villains don't barrel too much so we'll likely get a free river a good percent of the time. I just think we miss out on fold equity and there are a lot of hands we're happy folding out on this flop.
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:19 AM   #4
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Re: $15 hyper: horrible horrible turn card

I see your point about fold equity. A x/r jam folds out a ton, that's maybe better than x/c, but yeah we likely get to see all 5 cards with x/c. Close, but there does seem to be a lot of fold equity in x/r jam.
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Old 06-15-2012, 04:31 AM   #5
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Re: $15 hyper: horrible horrible turn card

I'm wondering if you can expect a random villain to bet 50 into 80 with air here, so I don't know if check/raising allin or non-allin on this board is still as good as check/raising over a half pot cbet.

Might seem like an insignificant difference, but I think it matters quite a lot.
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Old 06-15-2012, 05:24 AM   #6
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Re: $15 hyper: horrible horrible turn card

i would c/jam to that size
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Old 06-15-2012, 08:44 AM   #7
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Re: $15 hyper: horrible horrible turn card

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I'm wondering if you can expect a random villain to bet 50 into 80 with air here
All day. I see everyday people cbetting pot and than folding to raise, some even overbet 2x pot and than fold to jam
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