No reads on villain, first hand i opened and he folded, second hand he opened i 3bs and he folded again.

Grabbed by Holdem Manager
NL Holdem $20(BB) Replayer
($440)
Hero ($560)

Dealt to Hero A 9

Hero raises to $45, raises to $120, Hero raises to $560 (AI), calls $320 (AI)

FLOP ($880) 8 K 6

TURN ($880) 8 K 6 J

RIVER ($880) 8 K 6 J 9

Is it better to flat pre or just jam? i felt by jamming we will sometimes get called off worse aces, KQ-KT that sometimes call early like this and have a lot of fold equity for when he is playing back at me because of my 3bs the previous hand.

Really standard Jam.

Haha maybe me reviewing hands is negative as it looks like im worrying about standard spots too much that dont seema big deal in game haha

Did i give appropriate reasoning for why a 4bs is better than a flat? And are we ever flatting any Ax hands here?

Jam, i would never call here readless

A9o id jam yeah. I don't think flatting any Ax is ever optimal here. Not sure about hands like KQs, KQo. What would the worst Ax be that we could jam here?

A8o, A7s maybe?

@matw Also try not to get set back when standard plays go wrong, it happens. Try to think in terms of ev and how you'll make money overall in the long run blah, blah, blah....

Lol perhaps, interesting to get some discussion on facing early 3bets readless though even if this hand is a jam ainec, discussing the variables we need to consider for jam/flat expectation analysis is super +EV, and will help you refine your ranges and make better decisions. Fwiw you only give variables that you would consider when thinking about jamming and nothing that comes into expectation from flatting, so to analyse flatting you need to consider what the flop equity distribution of your hand looks like vs villains 3bet range, what % you need to flop x% equity, how often does villain cbet and what are his postflop tendencies in 3bet pots when you flat, like if villain only cbets when he hits and c/f every other time, there is probably quite a strong argument for flatting vs a polarised 3betting range in this spot depending on hi NAI 3betting tendencies at this depth.

We spoke about this a while back, and I think this is a pretty interesting discussion to pull up here, I think when flatting is much better than jamming with KQ/KJ given population tendencies, but vs bigger 3bets, say t140/t160 I'm unsure what a good 4bet shoving range is, and I'm unsure at what 3bet % 4bet jamming these hands becomes better than flatting. So input from folks here would be cool.

Why are you raising to 45 instead of minraising? Do you do this with all your hands or just the good ones?

Because SkaiWalkurrr raises to 45 too...

My backer tells me to do so I've never even seek skai play fwiw so I'm not just a fanboy.

Also really interesting points brought up itt and when I'm not out for lunch I'm going to look into everything thats been said and hopefully construct some ranges for various scenarios.

What would be the lowest Ax to 4 bet jam? I am stuck most of the times with A2-A7 here not knowing if to jam or not .. Flatting is probably never an option.