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Old 02-21-2012, 11:51 AM   #1
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$100 turbo 2 pair on ultra wet flop

Second hand. Am I supposed to get it in on this flop? What's the worst you get it in with here?

    Poker Stars, $96.32 Buy-in (10/20 blinds) No Limit Hold'em Tournament, 2 Players
    Poker Tools Powered By Holdem Manager - The Ultimate Poker Software Suite. View Hand #11938422

    Hero (BB): 1,360 (68 bb)
    SB: 1,640 (82 bb)

    Preflop: Hero is BB with J 8
    SB raises to 60, Hero calls 40

    Flop: (120) 8 9 J (2 players)
    Hero checks, SB bets 100, Hero raises to 300, SB raises to 1,580 and is all-in, Hero calls 1,000 and is all-in

    Turn: (2,720) 7 (2 players, 2 are all-in)
    River: (2,720) T (2 players, 2 are all-in)




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    Old 02-21-2012, 12:46 PM   #2
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    Re: $100 turbo 2 pair on ultra wet flop

    Worst I get it in with would be Aj with ac, otherwise id c/c or fold
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    Old 02-21-2012, 12:58 PM   #3
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    Re: $100 turbo 2 pair on ultra wet flop

    You would fold KJ with Kc?
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    Old 02-21-2012, 01:15 PM   #4
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    Re: $100 turbo 2 pair on ultra wet flop

    Yeah get it in. I'd get it in with anything I've check/raised
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    Old 02-21-2012, 01:24 PM   #5
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    Re: $100 turbo 2 pair on ultra wet flop

    I'd fold on the flop because a 4th club falls on the river

    Seriously, I'd get it in like you did. AJ/98 is the bottom of my calling range. AJ with the Ac I'd snap call.
    Against 1 pair hands such as ovp or Jx without a club we are way ahead. If he has ovp,Jx with a club we are flipping. If he has a str8 or a flush, so be it... Same thing with sets. But I think it is (a little bit more) unlikely that he as a flush because his 3bet shove makes me think that he is afraid of being outdraw.
    I wanted to put that in Pokerstove but it was too difficult with all flush possibilities...
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    Old 02-21-2012, 01:34 PM   #6
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    Re: $100 turbo 2 pair on ultra wet flop

    Nah, I did stack off here too wide. Basically Im almost never ahead, but at the same time Im either flipping sometimes and crushed sometimes/a lot. Not sure if I should have even raised his c-bet.
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    Old 02-21-2012, 01:38 PM   #7
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    Re: $100 turbo 2 pair on ultra wet flop

    How did the first hand go? Do you have any reads on this opponent from previous games or from SS?
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    Old 02-22-2012, 06:59 PM   #8
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    Re: $100 turbo 2 pair on ultra wet flop

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    Nah, I did stack off here too wide. Basically Im almost never ahead, but at the same time Im either flipping sometimes and crushed sometimes/a lot. Not sure if I should have even raised his c-bet.
    This is result oriented imo.

    He can have a lot of naked Jx, pair + draw, overpair, etc. against which you have a good equity. Sure, sometimes you're crushed, but often times we're ahead of flipping too. We don't c/c 2p on this board, neither are we c/f'ing, so that leaves us with donk/3bet or c/r and 4bet shove.
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    Old 02-22-2012, 07:02 PM   #9
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    Re: $100 turbo 2 pair on ultra wet flop

    std hand wp

    why did u make a thread though
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    Old 02-22-2012, 08:07 PM   #10
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    Re: $100 turbo 2 pair on ultra wet flop

    A better question would be: how tight opponent has to be to make this a fold?
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    Old 02-23-2012, 12:03 AM   #11
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    Re: $100 turbo 2 pair on ultra wet flop

    Very tight. Well, it kinda depends on what you really mean by "tight", as this board doesn't hit a very "tight" preflop opening range.
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