omg

did you report it to your mom?

I would rather report a 1st place out of 12.558 players than this to my mom. So reporting to leaders is absolutely fine..

Out of curiosity...
Why 200's cartel members offer me more tables at 100s and asks if I am a 60's guy wanting to get to a 100's cartel? Games will not count anyway in this case up to my knowledge.
And second question - single tabling does not count also? Is twotabling against two different regs allowed and counts? Do defending regs can call you out for more tables?

Every single table against a devision reg counts for the specific devision as I understood. If they ask you to 2-table you have to proof that you are willing to battle what actually makes a lot of sense as they do not want to have only bumhunting pussies inside their group!

But if 200's reg ask me to 2-table at 100's it is pretty ******ed cause this games do not count anyway - at least someone wrote sth like this before. And yes - it is reasonable to ask for more tables, but what if someone is already playing, lets say 3 tables, every table against other reg?

Do not think you have to accept 200s

100s division decided to implement an infraction system for players that are not in our division. The rules of this system are as follows:

- A public spreadsheet has been created: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...Bx0/edit#gid=0
- Members are able to vote against sitlist players in a forum thread, based on the following reasons:
a) A sitlist player sit/declined.
b) A sitlist player denied 2 tables.
c) A sitlist player played less than 30 minutes without a reason.
- Members can only vote based on their own games.
- All votes will be recorded as anonymous votes in the public spreadsheet.
- If a sitlist player receives 10 votes, there will be a poll.
- If 50%+1 of our members vote against the sitlister in this poll, he will be blocked as long as he doesnt get rehabilitated.
- While a sitlist player is blocked, he cant join 100s division.
- While a sitlist player is blocked, he loses all his rights. Members wont need to play him for 30 minutes or add a second table.
- To be rehabilitated, a sitlist player needs to get 10 votes.
- If a sitlist player receives 10 rehabilitation votes, there will be a poll.
- If 50%+1 of our members vote for the sitlist player in this poll, he will be rehabilitated.
- At this point, the group will also vote, if the stats of the rehabilitated sitlist player will be reseted and if the sitlist player will have to restart with 0 games.
- If a sitlist player loses his poll, another poll for the same player cannot be held for 2 months.


We implemented this system, because we dont want to give any privileges to sitlist players that are violating our rules. Please be aware that this system wont affect players that are trying to get in based on an honest and fair way. Also, it is not a big deal if someone violates our rules 1 or 2 times. This system will only affect players that violate our rules deliberately and in a regular manner.

So where do i find a list with the current mebers?

And when i want to get in i just start playing them and when i meat the criteria i get in contact with the leader?

+1

From now on there will be some additional rules regarding our admission system. Those rules consist of 2 different parts.

Firstly, we implemented a rule for splitting games. We did this, because we recognized that some guys abused our rules. They targetted specific members together and shared reads about them. Therefore, those sitlisters had an unfair advantage. We want to make it harder for those guys to target specific members and for this reason sitlisters will have to split their games on at least 25 different division members.

Secondly, we implemented a game requesting system. This system was implemented, because many guys complained about weak low volume members. Its hard to catch them in lobby and therefore its hard to move them down. For this reason, sitlist players and members will be able to request 50 games every week from division members. Please note that this second change will has exclusively positive effects for everyone who is trying to get in.

Please have a look below for the complete guidelines and make sure that you understand them, if you try to get in.




Splitting Sitlist Games

- From now on, sitlist players will have to split their games on at least 25 different players to join our division.
- The concrete numbers for the milestones are as follows:

o 4K games with at least 100 games against 25 different players.
o 6K games with at least 150 games against 25 different players.
o 8K games with at least 200 games against 25 different players.
o 10K games with at least 250 games against 25 different players.

- These 25 different players have to be played for the demanded amount of games before reaching one of the milestones.
- If the demanded games have not been played before reaching a milestone, the sitlist player will have to reach the next milestone.


Game Requesting

- Sitlist players and 100s division members can request 50 games via Skype from a 100s division member (who notifies a leader) or can ask a leader directly.
- From that point the targetted member will has to offer 3 different starting times/dates within the next 7 days.
- Players will have to play a minimum of 50 games in one session, once the sitlister/member agrees to one of those appointments (unless both agree to do a break).
- If the 100s division member is on a vacation and plays exactly 0 games during that time he can deny the request.
- The targeted player can put a sitlister/member on hold, if he has another battle ongoing at the same time.
- If one of the players is not showing up or is not completing the games without a reasonable reason, he will receive an infraction.
- After finishing the match, the sitlister/member can request another 50 games from the same player again.
- Sitlisters/members are allowed to do several requests at the same time.

So guys abusing the rules huh? Right, and a cartel acting in a combined effort to keeping the lobbies clean from random regs to keep it all for themselves - yeah that obviously is squeaky clean...

Now this bares a certain irony already, yet it would be even more ironic, if a certain former member of that 100s cartel that got recently kicked would be responsible for helping certain players to achieve those reads... And who knows whom of the 100 cartel he did "help out".

And whilst i have seen with my own eyes how this kind of collusion of read sharing has taken place basically over a long time now, it amazes me how ignorant Pokerstars is to all of that and how it never acts against this kind of foul play at all and lets all this shady business just taking place.

WTF is dat?

So basically is pointless to play a weak member over 100 games cause those game will not count. So sitlister has to take whole variance of 4k games, while division reg will have only variance of 100 games.

"Therefore, those sitlisters had an unfair advantage" That is nonsense, everyone shares notes, hands wit someone, in the end they are pages you can buy hands you need.

Is you guys who having cartel, is you who has unfair advantage, controlling lobby, having 50 % + games vs recreational players. You are making new rules cause you want sitlisters away from lobby. Definitely playing whole division will make reality way harder for sitlisters cause they have to play wit everyone instead vs weak part of division.

I will tell you what is unfair advantage:

-members being in division cause of their position, connection at moment of creating division more than pure skills
-sitlister having variance of 4k games, while division reg variance of 100 games
-sitlister is forced to play whole division, so he has to be better than whole division, even he is better vs many weak division reg that does not count so much
-when sitlister is better than division that is not enough, he needs to be waaaaaaaaaaaaay better to be acceped in division group, having 50.1 % itm is not enough.
-sitlister playing stricly regulars, while member can open sit.
-arranging to play 100 games vs every division regular takes time. So obv better sitlister will be out even longer

So basically you put back voting system in decorated box.

Poker was great, cause it was all about skills, is still a lot about skills, but more and more about politics and connections.

How are the new rules are better for everybody ? Weak members of division are going to play less games vs triers. And putting "sharing reads" as a reason to do that makes zero sense because if people are sharing reads they gonna keep doing that even if you require 100 games vs 100 different members, it is just a short term solution and a good rule addition for the weakest part of your division imo, nothing more.

Poker is more about skills than ever. Last year it was all about who could bumhunt hardest and play 16hr/day would win the most money, now you gotta prove yourself v regs, constantly hold off challengers and the better you do that, the more access to fish you get, letting skill and work ethic correlate more than ever with profit.

This sounds to me like taking pressure off from weak guys and distributing it among others. I know for a fact that you can give me the whole hh for a year for some players and I still would avoid playing them, simply because they will be still better than me. If someone is getting sat for hundreds of games most likely reason is because he is weak and doesn't belong there, right?

Also how much you have to play vs someone so you can make adjustments and make his starting strategy -ev (not talking about gto obviously)? If you haven't noticed anything you can do better after 100 games (less actually) odds are you are the weaker guy at the table.

Another question - say X has unfair advantage over Y because he is not readless. But if Y is semi competent this will be relatively short until as mentioned above he makes adjustments. You are telling me that if I pick 2 guys and beat each of the 2 guys really hard over 2k games each, it's because of some unfair advantage? Yeah, sure...

biggest BS I have ever read

I will start playing from tomorrow on to get in the division and I dont mind the rules at all for me personally since I wanna finish that as soon as possible and will play 100% regs anyway.
It would probably take me 3-5 months if I would chose onle 5-6 players to target them.

What Im interested in is.. is there any system based on performance who kicks out weaker regs out of the division? Because with the new system you take pressure from the weaker ones and poeple trying to move up cant really hurt them anymore and maybe force them to leave the division (because of bankroll issues or whatever reason)

Would be nice if somebody could answer this and then see you guys tomorrow

Sorry if I missed it if any rules (non disciplinary ones) regarding leaving the division were posted already.

Can someone from the $100's cartel post the screennames of the people who voted for this new rule? Or at the very least, the people who suggested/pushed for it? It would be much appreciated ty

As of now, the kickout system is following: A sitlister that gets in the 100s division chooses 3 weakest members. Leaders pick another 2 people. There is a poll consisting of those 5 people and a member with most votes moves down to 60s.

This system is still much better than the voting system for triers.

Ultimately though, I'm pretty disappointed with the implementing of a rule saying you need to play 25 members. Kobmish hit the nail on the head here all this rule does is protect the weak, which is somewhat similar to the voting system but definitely not as bad for triers. It's natural for certain players within the division who are being targetted to start complaining about it but the reaction of the division should not be to implement a rule to protect those players. If those players are getting destroyed by the sit list then so be it, that's not anyone else's problem but their own.

The previous system basically implied that if you were significantly better than one or two members within the division you would be able to get in, this new rule is making it so you need to be significantly better than the bottom third of the division or at least bottom quarter and lose to some guys. This is a step back in creating a division that is wishing to promote getting stronger over time.

I would much rather share with any player outside of the division that can beat any player within the division, even if it's only one. That will always make the higher divisions stronger. If those within the division feel it is unfair that a player got in only playing one player they are free to target him/her once he/she is in, just as the sit list would be able too as well.

currrr14

On a side note, the 2nd rule is a great addition and I think that shouldn't be overlooked. Great job on implementing that rule!

So basicly
The div is supposed to be a group filled with the strongest regs on that stake
Defending the lobby
So they would be happy to play any1 because they are the best regs there

But somehow there are div players that are getting targetted by sitlisters and prob losing to them
Arent these players in div supposed to target sitlisters and defend the lobby?
Now the weaker ones complain that they are the targets?
Lmao
Well maybe you are not the strongest reg on that stake if people are hunting you

I really dont understand why all these guys that are crushing want to be in and share with guys that they crush

I just want to add that I think some people are imagining there are players trying for $100's only playing ~5 people, that's definitely not the case, if someone was only targeting 5 people then it would take them ages to get in. The people this rule really hurts are people who have been playing less than 25 but more than 10 people.

BTW this rule is supposed to make us play more people, but for me it'll restrict who I can play. I'm currently at ~2600 games with 100+ games vs 15 people. Now I'll have to focus on playing solely 10 new guys so that I can hit the "at least 100 games vs 25 people" rule. Either that or I can play vs other people but it'll mean I have to take more than 4k games to get in.

U r coming back to high stakes again?

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