Second hand of the match, so we don't know anything about opponent.
I don't like my line, but i'm interested and want to ask you guys, how you play that hand?

Preflop and flop seems fine.

What was the reasoning behind the check call on the turn? Looks a little spewy to me.

I see turn options as fold or raising with a lean towards folding.

Yeah, why would you cbet, then x ott, if is for pot control then call ott and otr, don't see why is good to take that line.

checking turn is obv fine, betting is pretty bad. id x/decide ott and prolly folding when he bombs it like he did when readless.

I would bet small turn to try to check call river. But with a river like this one, I would fold there, and as played good fold.

Don't see why it's bad, vilain's not gonna have Ax too often.
There's still a good amount of value to be had vs draws and pairs.

Xc river pls. this is why you xc turn.

this might be true if river was a brick. however the Jd is def not a brick. also I am not so sure that bad villains won't limp Ax at those stakes. I agree that it is a small part of his range but I think having KQo in my x/cing range ott can't be too bad when I am mostly checking turn with the intention of folding to a bet. Not saying that balancing our ranges should be a major concern but I don't think we can get three streets from worse but will valuetown ourselves a good bit by bloating pots oop with a somewhat marginal hand.

We can start by checking flop. As played imo river bet imo is -ev.

There is nothing wrong with limping preflop.

With some reads that he is a station then we can valuebet this down, but I don't think we can assume that.

Can you explain your thinking here? Obviously we have no reads, but I feel like his range on the flop is very likely to be a flush draw so I would prefer a bet on the turn and then checking the river (calling when bricks, folding when draw comes in) I'm curious if I misplay this spot, but I just feel like he doesn't have many Ax or 2p+ hands if he's limp calling

Yeah I think u should bet this turn readless 100%, would like to know the reason why u decide to check?

as I said before, I am not that certain that villain cannot have Ax in his range. I think it's just a tad too thin to bet this readless ott. I agree that we lose some value against his draws and weaker made hands but unless I know sth about villains range I tend to be a bit more passive, with the middlish part of my range esp oop.

I like a turn bet, it's thin but the river is gonna be a super easy x/f

btw where are these 10$ tournaments I see posted?

It's on Pokerstars.fr

How often do you cbet this particular hand and how often do you c/c?

I mean in %.

Thanks.

You bet the turn so that you can easily x/f on the river? Doesn't sound very logical to me, and I don't agree with the easy fold part either. Maybe it is on Jd river, but we couldn't have known that on the turn right

Second hand of the match we are pmuch readless and its a fair assumption to make that the general population of fish dont limp too much Ax at that stack depth (altho a small amount of the time 15-20%) but they do have alot of suited hands, big littles + trash, OS connected and or broadways. I am far to lazy to do the maths + exact ranges but if you plug in a realistic range here for him to have on the turn you are miles ahead of his range so everyone saying the turn is spew are incredibly wrong and I would ignore their advice, especially the "start with checking the flop" .....

Bet flop bigger 100-120, Bet turn 200-240 and c/f diamond rivers, c/c non diamond rivers, its a not a spot a fish is going to turn a pair into a bluff and most likely not a spot they are going to call much worse than a single Qx which they may even fold when a fd bricks, with a c/c we can get all their fd bluffs , I would imagine they check back their Qx we dominate but there is a chance we might get a 1/4 pot vbet from them and their range by the river is way heavier with busted fd's than Ax and2p's so we can happily call. When the fd comes in its not a spot a fish is ever going to vbet a single pair anyway which makes our fold that much easier.

I was so close to actually doing the ranges and maths and showing you, but im way to lazy. Sorry.

I agree river is a call if diamonds brick and we check, but the bold part is just not true. His river range isn't way heavier with busted FD's than Ax+. We are still calling because we get the right odds, not because he has more FD's than value hands as you were implying. Also, a thin value bet of 1/4 psb from a passive villain doesn't seem very likely to happen.

We are calling because we have the correct odds with the equity we have vs his range which happens to have more combos of fd's than it does of Ax so in that sense yes it means hes weighted to air (assuming he always bets his busted draws, which readless in this situation I think is a fair assumption to make).

The 1/4 bet seems unlikely but I have seen it plenty of times vs fish especially considering this is my main game, I have no real need to make this information up and just because I said it can happen doesnt mean I think its happening with any drastic frequency.

Uhh, no.

For example, if he has 60% Ax and 40% FD and pots on the river, we still have to call because we are getting more than the correct odds. But that doesn't mean he has more FD than value hands. I mean, this is a simple math problem, right? We never, ever need more than 50% to be correct when bluff catching, even if villain overbets the river by 200x. And in this particular hand, I just don't think his busted draws far outnumber his Ax+. But yes, we can still make a call.

And if the 1/4 bet doesn't happen all that often, which you seem to be agreeing on, then it is possible that we can be more profitable by just betting the river and getting called by hands that he might happily check back. Of course, all this depends on what his range consists of on the river.

Oh, and I wasn't implying that you were making this info up or anything close to it, I apologise it if you perceived it that way.

Balancing in a 10$ turbo hu vs a random is awful imo. He prolly won't think about your ranges, and you'll only play 1-2-3 games with him. So balancing means you won't exploit him (or poptendencies) fully.

AggsyB's line+1

I'd fold the river worst card in the deck with k&t'd. I think it's played fine I guess but betting the turn is definitely an option here.
Nobody would opt for a check on the flop ?

This is just my opinion but I think it is still somewhat important. Even if villain have no idea what our range is in certain situations he will have a subconscious idea of it and thus balancing will be deceptive. Even tho the more I play the more I agree with you I still think that somewhere deep in fish head there is that idea. but you are prolly right i guess.

He didn't say he was gonna check KQ on turn in order to balance his range, did he?

Well not in order, just as an addition it will balance his range. Just went through some turbo hands in the forum b/c wanna pick up as second game next to hypers, and see that a lot of (probably higher stake) guys think about GTO-like things, and balancing, and stuff like that in low stakes HHs.
And just wanted to say that we can loose EV if we don't go max value in order to have more balanced ranges, or betsizes. I had a lot of problem with that playing recs, that I wanted to play vs them as I played regs, and think about stuff like "what am I cbetting range consist of in this spot?" "would I bet my value hands/bluffs with this size?" "Do I have a bluff leading range here?"
So just pointed out, that overleveling can hurt us too obv we need to think things like these in order to improve, and have a chance later, but thinking lvl3-4 when opponent thinking lvl1 (or 0 or which is the "I have x hand, so I do this") can be as bad as thinking lvl 2 when villain is on lvl 3