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Old 07-28-2011, 07:55 PM   #1
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Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

I am thinking of making Hypers HUSNG my primary game, but after running some numbers in my head, I'm strugling seeing the profitability of these in terms of getting a decent monthly income.

My current train of thought is something like this:

Number of Tables = 2
Hours a day = 5
Average Duration per game = 5 min ( this is slightly higher than what my HEM suggests, but i rather play sets so there will be some down time vs. if i play continiously. Anyway, that would mean around 24 games per hour 2-tabling)

So, this translates into:

Volume = 3,600 sngs per month (120 sngs a day).
Sustainable roi = 2.5% (i rather use something good/reasonable but realistic and achievable instead of an inflated high number)
Average stake = $15 (again trying to be realistic with myself as I'm yet not even playing this high)

Adding it all up, that would mean a meager $1,350 a month plus some $300 of rakeback equivalent more or less.

So, my questions to the successful Hyper-HUSNG grinders are the following:

How do you guys manage to make playing these games a worthwile endeavour? Being more concrete, which of my previous assumptions do you think require some adjustments based on what you are currently doing/aiming for?:

- Games per month: How many games do you try to put in per month?
- Number of Tables: Do you play more than 2 at the time? (i.e. do you think that you have to play more than 2 tables to reach a reasonable volume or can it be done just playing 1/2 tables at a time)
- Hours per day: How many hours do you guys play on average per day? (am i being too lazy planning for only 5 hours a day?)
- Sustainable ROI: should I even bother trying to play these if i feel i'm not gonna be able to get a roi sufficiently above 2.0%-2.5%
- Stakes: Is there any grinder making a decent monthly income playing at the $15 level or $30 level for that matter or inevitably this is the type of game that it is only decently profitable if played at the highest stakes ($100+)?

Hopefully this is not tldr and some of you guys making a living out of hypers husng can give me an idea of what to expect if i choose this path.
Thank you very much in advance!
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Old 07-28-2011, 07:59 PM   #2
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

U want to make a living playing avg. stake of $15? LOL.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:08 PM   #3
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

Yeah would not trust the $ these days.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:13 PM   #4
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

Lol, not necessarily, but I'm sure you know that in other forms of SNGs (say 18-man/45/man, etc) there are grinders making a decent amount of money playing the $15 (given higher ROIs). And take into account that not everybody live in cities where the McDonalds Index is astronomically high .
But yeah, I take from your comment that nobody grinds these for a living at stakes lower than $100+.

Anyway, I guess that the real point of my post was to get a benchmark on what are the numbers successful grinders are working with with respect to the profitability drivers I mentioned on my OP (games/month, hours/day, rois, etc, etc).
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:14 PM   #5
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

Thats $11 hourly, I am not really sure what you are expecting playing 15s.

Ive made a 'living' playing $30 reg speeds before. Its a hell of a grind. 12% roi x close to 1k games and i was around 4k after rakeback/bonuses.
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Old 07-28-2011, 08:28 PM   #6
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

The question u should also ask is: do I really want to grind out a living playing low stakes? There's a very real chance you'll burn out in 1,2, 3 yrs. (or less).

Some thoughts:
-get to the 60's single-tabling to learn how to play husng, then start multi-tabling. Of course, most don't follow this tried and true method.
-Figure out how many tables u can successfully play. If it's two, then it's fine. But it may be more. It may be LESS. U may be better of single-tabling, figure out your ROI, winrate in $/hr. for the varous sizes and find the sweet spot
-You are just starting out, I really don't think u should limit your growth by thinking like this just yet. Why not grind up to the 60's or 100's, or at least get to the 30's before thinking about husng as a career...it's too early to decide IMO

I'll tell u what the best HUSNG player in the world did (for guidance perhaps!): livb112 STARTED at the 100's. There are so many different ways to get there!
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:37 PM   #7
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

doubt u can make an hyper living from anything behind 60's
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Old 07-28-2011, 09:54 PM   #8
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

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Thats $11 hourly, I am not really sure what you are expecting playing 15s.
this

though if you assume you have a 2% roi when you start out, and that is not true in practice, you will spend ages convincing yourself it's just the variance that's causing you to lose.

fwiw i play staked 60s so only get 50% of my winnings and i make a fine living, so surely its possible to make a living on the 30s, though i 4 table.
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Old 07-28-2011, 10:06 PM   #9
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

I quit my job decades ago when I reached $30s... You can make a living from that level and up.
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Old 07-28-2011, 10:36 PM   #10
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

i've been grinding the $7s and i made over 10k this week.
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Old 07-29-2011, 12:10 AM   #11
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i've been grinding the $7s and i made over 10k this week.
10K playing $7....that's impressive, how may tournies did u have to play?
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Old 07-29-2011, 12:54 AM   #12
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

hes obviously trolling

if he stands 10% roi ( pretty much sick ROI for hypers ) hes making 70 cent per 7$ game. 10k/70 cent= 14.2k~ tournaments in 1 week. Heh. pretty fun u can even believe this lol

and about "a living" i meant a decent living not just "survive"

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Old 07-29-2011, 01:25 AM   #13
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

so he is not making 10K at 7$...hard to believe
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:53 AM   #14
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

lost about 15k tonight. not trolling. i didn't make it and lose it playing the 7s. but i really was grinding the 7s a week ago.
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Old 07-29-2011, 02:53 AM   #15
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

Maybe he is just on a 1500 game winning streak.
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Old 07-29-2011, 05:37 AM   #16
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

I'm playing the 60's and i expect to average 15 games /h 2tabling. I'm not yet so productive to average 20 or more games. OP you should take into account also that you might also not reach the 24 games/ hour mark as it is pretty intense to grind it. Also playing 30 days per month is not realistic, aim for 2,5k games and you should get a more realistic number.

I aim to get 2k games per month with 3% ROI averaging 80-85 games per day which should net me $3,6k + RB.

And obv, as said before, dont just expect to keep grinding the $15's, improving your game (lets say 2h studying/day) and moving up is a must if you want to make grinding a living.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:42 AM   #17
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

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I quit my job decades ago when I reached $30s... You can make a living from that level and up.
This. What are your living expenses each month OP? You should move up in no time unless you eat up all your profits each month.

I really hate it when ppl say, "Oh, there's no point in playing stakes lower than $50/$100/$x for a living," or "there's no point in being pro if you make <100k a year" etc etc.

If you can make $1500/month, and live on $1000, then that's a decent profit and you can start moving up stakes. Poker is about freedom, not making a really high $/hour. People on these forums have such a skewed idea of the value of money.

I would always choose to make $10/hour grinding, (knowing that the real figure is much higher as I will be making $100/hour in x months time) over making $20+/hour working a soul-destroying 9-5.
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Old 07-29-2011, 07:45 AM   #18
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

ha yeah i actually "turned pro" at the $22s also!
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:23 AM   #19
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though if you assume you have a 2% roi when you start out, and that is not true in practice, you will spend ages convincing yourself it's just the variance that's causing you to lose.
Is 1.25% a reasonable ROI for someone who's just starting to grind the $60's after being a Fast Track student for a few months ?

My personal goal is playing 150 games per day single-tabling and making at least $0.75 per game, so adding SuperNova rakeback should yield ~100 EUR per day.

Since I'll also have to do a ton of paperwork in August, I'm planning to do 20 full-time grinding days.

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fwiw i play staked 60s so only get 50% of my winnings and i make a fine living, so surely its possible to make a living on the 30s, though i 4 table.
Why aren't you playing $100's - is that because of the staking deal or is $100 sick hard ? Just curious because you're up > $8k on SharkScope in these games.
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Old 07-29-2011, 08:53 AM   #20
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

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Is 1.25% a reasonable ROI for someone who's just starting to grind the $60's after being a Fast Track student for a few months ?

My personal goal is playing 150 games per day single-tabling and making at least $0.75 per game, so adding SuperNova rakeback should yield ~100 EUR per day.

Since I'll also have to do a ton of paperwork in August, I'm planning to do 20 full-time grinding days.



Why aren't you playing $100's - is that because of the staking deal or is $100 sick hard ? Just curious because you're up > $8k on SharkScope in these games.
single tabling these is a waste of your time, at least move up to 2 when effective stacks get less than 15bb or something.
if you used mers fasttrack right and you have a decent poker brain i guess you should be on 2% roi at least at this level.
will be on my own $ soon, was broke b4 pwning these so building irl roll b4 i quit stake, doubt hundos will be that much different
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Old 07-29-2011, 09:08 AM   #21
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

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single tabling these is a waste of your time
unless you're zakwray obv
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:11 AM   #22
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

the one thing ive learned... its semi useless to make calculations based on games per month, avg profit etc. ive never come close to making those goals. (been way over and way under profit goals) you'll figure out how much you can make once youve gone out and put in the volume.
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:06 PM   #23
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

my advice: have at least one month saved up
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Old 07-29-2011, 10:31 PM   #24
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

my advice: dont become pro if you don't have enough money saved for few month and you aren't true grinder, who is able playing a lot and not quit after some loosing streak because your life will be a lot of stress
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Old 07-30-2011, 06:04 AM   #25
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Re: Treat your Hyper HUSNG as a business - How do you HU grinders do it?

Well, that's decent advise for someone who plans to become a pro, ie. quit your job to do it. If you get pushed into it.

I'm currently unemployed, have enough money in my bank account to pay for my living for another 3-4 months and I have a job interview early in August.

If I get that job, then perfect, I'll take it, be a weekend grinder again and never even think about becoming pro anymore until I at least beat $200 over a large samplesize.

If not, then I have to grind these for a living, starting in November the latest - with whatever bankroll and whatever skills I have by then.

Therefor, I really hope to crush the $60's within the next 2-3 weeks and see whether I can play $100's in September.
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