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01-27-2011 , 06:20 AM
I just created a study group called HeroCall's HU Limit Holdem over at Pokerstudygroups.com. It's free to join.

http://www.pokerstudygroups.com/grou...t-holdem-sngs/

The group focuses on HU Limit SnGs but can also accommodate HUHU cash because the same principles apply due to the limit betting structure.

I'm a low stakes player looking to make the jump up to $20s soon along with some others to help motivate, swap ideas, talk strategy, sweat sessions, etc.
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01-27-2011 , 11:12 PM
I currently play $27 and $38 18's on stars. would really like a study partner/group on skype who i can discuss strategy and exchange hh's with.

anybody interested PM me.
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01-28-2011 , 02:38 AM
im a $110 ftp turbo reg and im looking for someone whos adept at lategame play to help look over my play. obviously ill do what i can to help you in any way as well. pm me and we can set something up
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02-01-2011 , 10:42 AM
Looking for someone to make sweetsession or something together.
Im looking winner from 50$+, preffer turbo player.
Im playing turbo 40-50$ av. stake with positive shots higher.
Im not speak english well, but I'm pretty sure we can do it.



PM plz
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02-01-2011 , 06:36 PM
Have a study group open to people on skype. It's a small group of winning players who play mid/high stakes games. Looking for quality not quantity so if you feel like you will be a good addition to the group send me a pm.

Criteria that must be met:

Game of choice: turbos/superturbos (can also play reg/deep but primary game should be turbo/superturbos)
Limit: $50+ buy in's should be your limit at a minimum
Must have a decent sample size at those limits (1-2k games is alright)
Must be a winning player (dont have to have an insane roi. Just a winning player so we can see if you understand and grasp the basics.)

This group is an advanced group of players looking to improve their game even more.
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02-02-2011 , 06:58 AM
Hello

Need also somebody to move up, currently i'm on the 11$husng on ftp. Almost moving up to the 23s

I don't want someone who is a BEish player

my skype is swensonn
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02-03-2011 , 12:47 PM
I'm not much of a fan of discussing individual hands as is common here. Bryce Paradis, in his article "What is good poker?" expresses many sentiments I agree with:

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The problem with these sorts of questions is that, in general, the ability to accurately quantify the likelihood of your opponent’s actions and future actions is not something that can be effectively taught. While it is perhaps better to have asked this sort of question and received an answer than not to have asked at all, even players at very advanced levels spend too much time debating these largely circumstantial issues, although it makes little sense to ask those who did not have access to all of the available information (e.g., previous hands) what they thought your opponent’s actions were likely to represent. Ultimately, a player has to accept that this is an analysis skill acquired through experience, and he will have to play some measure of poker in order to accurately determine the likelihood of his opponent’s actions.

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Some of the most productive poker discussion stems from people sharing methods to quickly and easily “solve” common mathematical questions
(emphasis mine)

When we play poker, we make use of heuristics (rules of thumb) to alleviate for the difficulty of making thorough evaluations of our expected value in the limited time frame we are allocated for each hand. Unfortunately, many common poker heuristics do not have any underlying mathematical basis. (Consider my debunking below of the notion that calling cannot be the most profitable play when a raise is for a large portion of your stack: "shove or fold"). Hence, I would like to work on developing some better heuristics.

The first type of heuristic is for simplifying problems that are theoretically easy, but are often too time-consuming to do on the fly. An example is the decision to open-shove preflop (in this case, relative to folding). Given your assumptions about your opponent's calling range, the EV equation is simple enough, but it can be difficult to come up with a good estimation of your hand's equity against your opponent's calling range and plug it into the equation, all in your head and in less than 15 seconds. In this case I think graphs are helpful (see deviations from Nash thread below), as memorising the basic look of a graph can help you decide approximately what to do in a multitude of situations. But other forms of heuristics are possible.

Secondly, I would like to work on approximations for problems that are mostly intractable even in theory. I speak of evaluating expected value when many future actions are possible. On the flop, for instance, there are 2162 possible turn and river combinations. It is much too difficult to go through all of these and estimate your opponent's actions with every hand. Instead, it is better to come up with a good approximation of the expected value of the subgame that results from a certain action and compare it with an approximation of the value of the subgame that results from another action. One way to do it is estimate your all-in equity, and then adjust it upwards or downwards depending on how much you figure you are likely to gain or lose from the existence of future betting rounds. This depends on your hand, your opponent's range, and some basic assumptions of how your opponent is likely to play on future streets (which may depend on your actions).

I would like to discuss this on AIM or MSN (PM me), however this thread is fine too. I am not interested in "coaching", so please try to make a contribution rather than just ask me about my ideas. It would be particularly helpful (although by no means necessary) if you are competent at higher math and especially programming. I'm pretty bad at math above elementary calculus and know nothing about programming, which is mostly the reason that some of these threads below are "incomplete".

Threads

A digest of my strategy posting + ideas I would like to see to fruition.

Why the notion of "shove or fold" is a myth
Graphing optimal deviations from the Nash equilibrium shove or fold chart (only one graph completed)
Graph of minimum equity needed to minraise, the equation
The latter part of this thread contains a number of musings on the correlation between all-in equity and expected value
Analysis of card removal effects
Rake, tournament equity and hourly rate
Optimisation against open-shover (incomplete)
Optimising the balance between interest-bearing accounts and transaction costs (incomplete)
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02-03-2011 , 01:13 PM
This sounds interesting, but I think it will inevitably lead more to some form of programming to handle such complex variables, which for a lot of people means a fullstop to any more work (me included). Also any poor degree in estimations when making such formulas will lead to bigger unaccuracy in final results, which, when decisions are sometimes so close, such that we need to identify some threshold of callin % or FE or such likes, will make the equations for the most part redunant.

Add me on skype (chadders0), I would be interested for sure if anything comes of this, have a math degree too so that may help a lil.
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02-04-2011 , 06:33 AM
Hi guys my name is Terrence and i just started out playing $1 HUSNG turbo w/ a real small sample of winrate.

Would love to have a study partner and sweat partner to improve my game. Winning players are most welcome as to help me improve

PM me or add me in Skype: terrencebooz1

Your reply will be appreciated.
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02-04-2011 , 08:58 AM
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Originally Posted by JediOnTilt
Have a study group open to people on skype. It's a small group of winning players who play mid/high stakes games. Looking for quality not quantity so if you feel like you will be a good addition to the group send me a pm.

Criteria that must be met:

Game of choice: turbos/superturbos (can also play reg/deep but primary game should be turbo/superturbos)
Limit: $50+ buy in's should be your limit at a minimum
Must have a decent sample size at those limits (1-2k games is alright)
Must be a winning player (dont have to have an insane roi. Just a winning player so we can see if you understand and grasp the basics.)

This group is an advanced group of players looking to improve their game even more.
PM sent.
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02-04-2011 , 09:39 AM
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Originally Posted by chadders0
This sounds interesting, but I think it will inevitably lead more to some form of programming to handle such complex variables, which for a lot of people means a fullstop to any more work (me included). Also any poor degree in estimations when making such formulas will lead to bigger unaccuracy in final results, which, when decisions are sometimes so close, such that we need to identify some threshold of callin % or FE or such likes, will make the equations for the most part redunant.

Add me on skype (chadders0), I would be interested for sure if anything comes of this, have a math degree too so that may help a lil.
Pretty much this, except replace maths degree with most of a physics degree, and the possibility of needing to use programming is an exciting one, as for my degree i'm so far only using code to solve previously solved problems.

I'm lxontilt (alex lawson) on skype
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02-05-2011 , 04:19 AM
Playing 6 turbos and sometimes 11 turbos on FTP. Add me on skype at jakesh083

I really would like to find a 'mentor' or something of that nature or anyone to talk to about husngs. I want to learn as much as anyone!
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02-21-2011 , 02:31 AM
Hey guys,

I'm playing the $1 turbos on Full Tilt, my goal is to progress to the low/midstakes by the end of this year, while using cautious bankroll management so I don't go bust. Anyone using FT/stars wanna go over some hands with me, and sweat each other?

If so, PM me your AIM/MSN.
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02-21-2011 , 09:51 AM
Mixing between the 2 and 6's on FT. Looking for someone to do sweats..PM me for AIM/Skype.
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02-21-2011 , 10:50 AM
I'm looking for sweet sessions with winning regs @ 10$ and 20$ reg speed on full tilt

I play hu sng10$ normal on FTP, I'm not english so I don't understand 100% if you speak fast but I'm comfortable with reading.

SN on ftp: Zeitgeist85

pm me for skype
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02-21-2011 , 07:08 PM
11$ turbo reg hu on UB has been impossible finding someone who also plays these on there but ill give it a shot please PM me if your looking to chat/sweat/talk strategy
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02-22-2011 , 04:29 AM
Lol why would any1 play on UB?
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02-22-2011 , 02:53 PM
Sup everyone...

Currently playing $10 reg speeds and doing pretty well over small sample. Moved up from the $2's and $5's. HUSNG.com member. U.S.A. based player (Las Vegas)

Would PREFER to talk strategy/sweat someone who plays higher or equal limits. But if you play lower... it cool. Maybe I can get you out the micros and work on my game as well.

PM me for skype
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02-25-2011 , 08:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JediOnTilt
Have a study group open to people on skype. It's a small group of winning players who play mid/high stakes games. Looking for quality not quantity so if you feel like you will be a good addition to the group send me a pm.

Criteria that must be met:

Game of choice: turbos/superturbos (can also play reg/deep but primary game should be turbo/superturbos)
Limit: $50+ buy in's should be your limit at a minimum
Must have a decent sample size at those limits (1-2k games is alright)
Must be a winning player (dont have to have an insane roi. Just a winning player so we can see if you understand and grasp the basics.)

This group is an advanced group of players looking to improve their game even more.
pm'd
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02-26-2011 , 09:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Jakester1288
Hey guys,

I'm playing the $1 turbos on Full Tilt, my goal is to progress to the low/midstakes by the end of this year, while using cautious bankroll management so I don't go bust. Anyone using FT/stars wanna go over some hands with me, and sweat each other?

If so, PM me your AIM/MSN.
Going to bump this, now playing $2's, have teamviewer, anyone want sweats/HH reviews?
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02-26-2011 , 02:56 PM
I play the 23 turbos on FTP. Looking for some people to talk hands with on occasion. If you're interested PM me.
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02-27-2011 , 07:57 AM
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Originally Posted by icandodgebullets
i am playing deep sngs and would like to add good players to talk strat with, probably in skype.

now i am at 50/80s(+100s) level and i sit regs a lot and have a roi about 20% over small sample size.

pm if interested.(w/ skype name preferable)
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02-27-2011 , 08:30 AM
Looking for mentor / partner for small stakes STs

Currently at $5.15s with 247 played 55.1% ITM and 6.9% ROI

Keep taking shots at $10s but down 5 buyins over 23 games. Going to play another 250 at the $5s before taking more shots.
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02-27-2011 , 11:18 AM
Looking for players at 30-50 level. I'm playing 55 turbos and doint pretty well so far. If anyone higher wants to discuss strat then even better! Just PM me.
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