-You intentionally decided to play 4 tables, which increased the time you took to act.

-From the perspective of your opponent that reported you it would seem no different.

-They are entitled to report you for acting slow, and stars have acted on it.

Morally there is nothing wrong with any party here. I don't know what you can say. Stars is never gonna ban someone like rayden for acting slow even tho he plays 6+ tables, but if you decided to multitable that is a risk you take.

Sure some of them may have reported you for ulterior motives, but you open yourself to that by playing slow. You say that stars can check your speed vs fish (I'm not sure stars tracks timings fwiw), but just because fish don't report you doesn't mean that it's not a reportable "offence".

The only thing you achieve with this post is show that the 30s regs aren't really a "proper cartel", which is probably part of your aim I guess.

I think they can see by the start of hand 1 vs Start of hand 2 and make an assumption..

I say this because I have reported bots in the past based off timings and it didn't seem to matter much (same speed with difficult and easy decisions e.g.). However, I could be wrong, and stars tries/tried not to reveal much of how they proceed in their investigations.

If it's a pain in the ass to get crushed it is more if it's slow every hand, feel sorry for you and gl when you are back, try to play faster so they have no excuses tho. Fwiw think the ruling and the accusation is bs, more so between regs, I'd understand a recreational tilting about it.

Under Stars' new Chests VIP program, the average number of hands played per blind level will really matter. With the Dunning-Kruger effect, it's not surprising if a reg reports another reg for negating the edge by acting slow and playing fewer hands per blind level. I mean, such reports will become more and more common regardless of cartel relations.

In general, masstabling in Stars SNGs has been naturally fading into the past as the rakeback has been diminishing: is there sense in paying more rake per hour if you can only play about the same number of hands per hour thoughtfully anyway? E.g. it's obviously less profitable to play 30 tourneys an hour of 20 hands each on average than 15 tourneys of 40 hands on average.

Pyra, I respect what you're doing at 30t mate, but would it have tilted you less if the PS email had just said "your average time per decision is too slow and you need to play faster?"

You should have taken the first message this way (with the 2 day ban) and you should take this message the same way as well. You were reported and PS judged that you were playing too slow. That's something you have to deal with, either by cutting another table, playing faster, setting up some hotkeys/etc to speed up inputs, or whatever.

Consistently playing slow and timebanking can and has resulted in table cap reductions, warnings from stars, etc. in other cases as well and given this is your second "offense" I don't think it's unreasonable.

Good luck at 30s.

Stars checks literally everything, the program is essentially a spy tool while it's running that you agree to. They can track mouse movement, take screenshots etc.

Just for clarification.

I found this thread on the same issue.

http://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/29...2/index20.html

Pokerstars reprsentative answers to the issue. This answer is from the beginning of 2014 and I also asked them to point me to their "delaying policy", which Im supposedly breaking to see if they have actually changed this policy.

"3) It is not current PokerStars policy to take action against players who are regularly acting slowly at tournament tables. I sat down with the lead of our poker specialists team to review the topics discussed in this thread and ensure future support responses are aligned with current policy."

if the software gave you 30s to act than you have 30s to act. period. everyone gets same timebank.

its part of the game, so let people decide how they use their time. some need it to think deeply, some need it to finish reading facebook status along playing poker. banning someone for using his timebank is ridiculous.

I am completely on OPs side here. If he still has timebank to use, he is free to do so. The stalling issue was afaik one of the biggest issues with Deepstack/Regspeed HU Sngs and they are no longer available.
Imo it is not unlikely that stars has just reviewed one particular game after his first ban where he might have taken longer for some decisions and made false assumptions about OP.

What i can say is, 30t Regs are mostly from Eastern European Countries and these guys can get salty as f*** when you destroy their winrate. There are basically no more Lobby or Regwars in lowstakes Turbo Hu Sngs and those Regs really dislike when you sit them as a Regular or someone who is decent enough to have a chance winning against them.

I can just highly recommend some Hyper HU Sng Regs to fill up Games with low/midstakes Turbo HU Sngs, you will be amazed how poorly most of these guys play. Don`t expect them to rematch tough, they won`t to that much frequently.

At last i want to point out, does really anyone here think they would report a big Whale which needs Time to punt of his stack everytime? ... I don`t think so.

I started recording my screen and webcam once again, as I did when streaming on Twitch, after I got my first warning from Pokerstars in april. It is clear from the footage that Im not just sitting there without action and trying to piss off the player Im playing in the tournament in question. I do have a lawyer in our family and I am willing to stand for my rights if Im not given any specific rules that Ive broken and the ban stays intact. With all the information Ive gathered so far, there is no rule Ive broken and Im not willing to just sit there and let my livelihood be cut. Especially when there is even a Pokerstars representative, who commented on the same issue in 2014:

"3) It is not current PokerStars policy to take action against players who are regularly acting slowly at tournament tables. I sat down with the lead of our poker specialists team to review the topics discussed in this thread and ensure future support responses are aligned with current policy."

Do you understand word Current? Do you understand that post was Jan 2014 and a lot change since then?

They havent sent me any current policies, that would apply in this situation. The only one has been "intentional stalling" and that is not the case here. So go ahead and show me if there is one Im breaking, just sent them an email myself aswell, asking for it. They wouldve sent one, if there was one that applies in my case, already in april.

Not wading through it, but just look for:

"Can take any action for any reason."

and possible: "Players are expected to play fairly, and in accordance with the spirit of the game." (https://webcache.googleusercontent.c...&ct=clnk&gl=de)

The majority of decisions should take ~1 second so frequent use of time-bank should not be necessary.

You are obv a much slower than average player. When the ban expires I suggest you move to 2 or 3 tables. Selfish to frequently keep others waiting.

That's weird from Stars for banned an account because OP take his provided time by the system/software to play..

That's a bit fckup,why don't they limited the time/make super turbo or something, if they want to enforce it..and why the Stars take seriously one or two reports on it?😐

Its not about whether its a 1 second decision in theory but when you play more tables and go through them in cycles and actually think about gameflow adjustments that are needed, look for stats etc etc on other tables during your cycle, then getting to that 1 second decision on the other table will still take more than 1 second. Just because the majority of regs take most spots as "standard" and fail to improve their game over time, shouldnt mean I have to become one of them. Ive played for 7 years now and always stayed ahead of the curve- constantly looking for improvements to make/statistics/betsize tells during playing has obviously the most to do with it.

source?

Regardless, arguing with us here on 2p2 doesn't accomplish anything. You can act in accordance with Stars' decision here, email them and attempt to get them to reverse course, or continue doing what you're doing and risk further disciplinary action in the future. Pleading your case on 2p2 is absolutely worthless, and as has been shown you're getting very little sympathy from most of the community here. Time to accept it, adapt, and move on.

Also not sure how you can say you're "ahead of the curve" when you've been playing for years and you're just a $30s reg. Most of the guys who are truly ahead of the curve are playing much higher. No shots, I don't particularly want to play you, but it's sort of lol to suggest you're just doing this super deep insane stuff when you're a low/midstakes grinder.

It is about taking 1 second if it is a really easy decision. Using excuse of playing in cycles i think mean stacked? So play tiled then dont have to slow down then sudden speed up. Is not good for game for other players for you to gain 1% edge just to make other players enjoy lot less!!!

controlling scum. make me sick

U didnt pay them enough rake brah. Thats what u get for not paying enough rake!! Learn from it

i'm not a person who reported but i can say 1 thing for sure. For months this player didn't play almost no hand preflop, flop, turn, river without "pyha karu, you have 10 secs to act" message poping up. Even if he had 3 tables.

This is what drives me crazy. I play the 6 man - 18 man sng's. And every game you have to wait out some guy with the "xxx, you have 10 secs to act" on every single card, hand after hand after hand... And then you get 2 or 3 of them going and suddenly you are playing 100/200/25 and you feel like you've only played a couple of hands. Guys like OP are game wreckers.

why do you think you have a right to play poker on pokerstars? they offer a business but of course they can choose by themselves to whom they want to offer their business to. i find it hilarious when people think they have a god given right to play poker on stars. stars could potentially ban you without any rational reasoning and you would have to deal with it. its not like you being in a legal relationship with pokerstars that gives you certain rights and makes stars fulfill certain legal duties. thats simply not how it works.

also i wasnt rly sure at first wether op was just a brag post or a serious inquiry.