Hi all,

I'd like to get a Spins pack, maybe two, but which ones?

I'm interested in Coffeeyay's, bighusla's and PrimodialAA's pack. Which of these have you found most informative/value for money. Any other recommendations/feedback would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

From what I've heard none of them are very good but bighusla's is the closest to being good, it's also the most expensive. I'd recommend reading forums and doing your own HH review in order to improve at first and hiring a coach when you get the basics down.

If you can't find a lot of resources on Spins HU Hyper information is very applicable to the heads up portion of spins and that's where the biggest edges are anyway.

non are value for money but if your a real beginner you will pick up lots of info but it's info you could probably find for free

Thanks for the replies gents.

Coffeeyay's pack was really useful for me as an introduction to Spins; explained the format and variance well and there was a pretty vast amount of strategic advice and HH's as well. If you're new to Spins and/or HU then I would recommend it without a doubt.

In terms of cost; you are getting 15 hours of footage - one hour of coaching from a top level coach costs anything from $150-$250 so i would certainly argue that it's value for money.

Hope that helps!

Thanks for that. I was looking at the graphs Coffeeyay has with his pack and it seems, correct me if I'm wrong, he was lucky enough to hit three jackpots and good/lucky enough to win all three. Apart from the jackpots his graph would have been pretty horizontal (No offence intended, just saying what I see. Again, if I need correcting, correct me)

Husla apparently didn't hit any serious jackpots and has a very good graph. I know husla is a top tier and Coffee is a better coach/teacher than player, but husla's none jackpot results are a factor for this fish, if I do buy.

Put it this way- if the packs are really good then there would be a lot more regs at 60s there are currently...

This is a reasonable point but I don't think that's what the first few packs have been aimed at; more so for players that are new to the variant and playing part-time for fun/modest winnings and are looking to improve. The concepts in the video packs are not going to change how someone like you play WaterG because you are already excellent HU (and clearly 3-handed) nor are they going to catapult someone from the $7s to the $60s, but they will assist players in finding their feet and mastering the basic strategy as well as the learning process.

Before I did this full-time, I without doubt found video packs more complicated and therefore useful than I do now. They really laid the foundations for me in terms of understanding HUSNGs and how to improve my game away from the tables, as well as how to think about the game. Long-story short, I do think there is a great deal of value in them.

Regarding Coffee's results; they don't look exceptional on the face of it but he is primarily a coach (an exceptional one IMO) so grinds far less than plays. If I'm not mistaken, he was 6-tabling them; I'm pretty confident if he was 2-3 tabling them *after* he made his pack he would have had a very decent chip EV. The guy absolutely hammers the theory of the game and this is reflected in his videos. He's done wonders for my game and I couldn't recommend his work enough.

Husla is of course an absolute spin crusher and his pack is also excellent - I watched Coffee's first then Husla's when it came out and took a lot from both so if you are, as suggested, thinking of buying two I would pick these two (haven't seen Primo's so couldn't judge but he is another crusher so it's bound to be high-quality).

I was new to spins, had no background in HUSNG's when I purchased coffeeyays's pack a few months ago, and feel my money would have been better initially spent on coaching or the HU aspects.

^ I would've likely recommended a heads up pack (or to watch free heads up videos, depending on your budget/level you were starting at) if you had zero HUSNG experience. Coffee's Spins pack primarily focuses on 3 handed play because 1) there was zero 3 handed material out when he made it, and 2) there is a ton of good heads up content out already.

Private coaching as a beginner is usually not ideal, you can find so many of the same fundamentals for free or cheap, and you can only cover so much in an hour.

The real gems of private coaching come out for more experienced players, they can learn things not found on forums or in most videos and get tailored advice.

which site we can find bighustla video pack ?

It's pretty expensive for an introduction to the games at 7s/15s don't you think?

Coffee is a good coach no doubt and hustler a crusher, but that doesn't mean that their products are top notch. It just means that they can sell the same content at a higher price than someone else due to their reputation in the community.

Just wanted to clarify this. My EV results over that sample were 50 chips/game, 36.64% ITM and 4.42% ROI. So while most of my actual $ came from the high multipliers I hit and won this is because I was extremely below EV in terms of chip EV (this is one fun aspect of the spins variance--at any time you can catch up to your EV just by hitting a big one). The games were all at the 30s, the highest buy-in offered at the time multi-tabling, mostly 6-tabling.

My skill set as a multi-tabling grinder is not as high as many guys, however my EV hourly ended up around $100/hour post rake-back. Most likely my EV hourly was actually higher than Husla's since my games/hour must have been around 2.5 times higher than his (since he was mostly 1-2 tabling as far as I recall reading) and his EV ROI wasn't more than twice as high as mine.

I worked extremely hard on the video pack and feel that it is well worth the money. It contains more footage than any other video pack and is an attempt to be as comprehensive as possible. I put in a huge amount of time researching and working on the content and I am very proud of the quality. In the end it's hard to quantify value for money since value differs depending on specific situation. Hourlies are currently very high at Spins and so I think it's pretty easy to argue that there is a lot of value in becoming a winning player--however this will depend on each individual so I can understand that this is up for debate. I am, however, confident that my content is indeed top notch--the final product ended up so comprehensive and long that I believed it to be worthy of a higher price tag. In contrast my Math pack is quite a bit shorter and more specialized and is one of the cheapest packs available on the site so it's not fair to claim that my prices are high simply because of my popularity in the community.

I've earned a reputation for high quality and high value products by working hard to provide high quality and high value products and I will continue to do so. The Beating Spins pack was released when spins were still fairly new and competition was limited. In order to provide even more value to my pack I will be adding a free addition to that pack that will be about two hours of high end high analysis of recent play at the highest stakes. I hope that this helps keep the pack fresh and maintain it as the best value available on the market. It should be available within a couple of weeks--hopefully sooner

Well if you're going to add new material at different time intervals then the pack is at least not a scam to buy any more. I'm not qualified to comment since I haven't seen many spin and go vidpacks.

I def respect u as a coach- but there is no denying that in this game any fixed coaching strats/vids lose value over a short period of time regardless of quality.

Nice! i buy both coffee/bighusla, i hope you will release it, because we(buyers of husla pack) still waiting for that free bonus video of bighusla..

How is it going?

I have an hour and 20 min and am adding 15-20 min tonight to finish it off!

aaand it's done. Just have to do some last video editing, pass it off to get it protected and get it out to everyone who has already bought the pack

Sorry for the delay guys, the 100s coming out made me delay to make sure I had footage at that new stake. I really hope you'll enjoy the bonus content!

Nice you stuck to your promise Adam, I'm sure it's high quality as usual

I think the values of the packs are relative, individual, depend on what style suits the buyer the most.

E.g. when I watched the previews of bighusla's pack, I got turned off by the way he presented the 43o hand with which he defended the BB from SB's opening minraise.

I reckon that the hand was posted only because he flopped like God (8-8-3), which made him look like a genius, and then he took the liberty to complain slightly about AT 'sucking out' on him on the turn (and check/calling twice as a trap, which is quite viable vs such a LAG as Husla). He put more emphasis on his turn bad run that his flop good run.

Well, the thing is that it's the general property of low hands that, even if they hit dream flops like this, any reasonable opposing hand usually has at least 6 outs and implied odds.

I know about the virtue of low rundowns in PLO as 3-bet hands - they allow the range to have a better coverage of low flops - but I don't think this kind of deception is that powerful in NLHE, exactly because two overcards are a decent draw.

Anyway, my main concern is not this (it's forgivably natural of video producers in general to be results-oriented when they select spots for their HH reviews, to make even their inevitable spews look smart) but that, although defending any two BvB may be profitable in terms of bb/100, it surely impacts the hourly winrate negatively because, if you waste time and clicks on playing postflop with such marginally profitable hands, you won't be able to 6-table efficiently. At least that postflop LAG style is not the way I'd like to play.

So, even though I haven't bought any of Adam's packs either, I'd give him more credit in terms of his experience at grinding and his knowledge of a strategy that is optimised for it:

Сооn, you are one of the best I've seen to be able to talk about things he has no idea about, but make it sound legit.

Maybe you should buy one, given how you often mention your low winrates and your inability to beat anything but the softest of games

Np Using the concept from Jared Tendler's second volume, I say that I'm at the stage of transitioning from intangible competence to conceptual competence. I.e. I know nitty folds work well for me, but I'm yet trying to explain to myself why.
I'll consider setting money aside for it in my November budget

If flatting 43o wins at least 10bb/100 more than folding (which i think is a reasonable assumption), would it really decrease your hourly by clicking bet 1/2 pot when SB misses a cbet?