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Old 05-17-2017, 04:46 PM   #326
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Re: Spin and Go Beginners Thread

@Xptboy a yeah ICMIzer makes sense, thanks! HRC is holder resources?
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Old 05-18-2017, 03:29 AM   #327
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Sprry if this has been asked before, looked around and I couldn't find what I was looking for. What is the minimum chipEv to be profitable at spin & gos?
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Old 05-18-2017, 08:09 PM   #328
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Sprry if this has been asked before, looked around and I couldn't find what I was looking for. What is the minimum chipEv to be profitable at spin & gos?
It depends on the rake.

Rake EV chips per game
8% 44
7% 38
6% 32
5% 27
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Old 05-19-2017, 08:58 AM   #329
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Hi there!
I have a question. In SB vs BB, 3handed, from 20 to 25, UOP, according to the preflop ranges I play I have to push from 55 to 22 (also another hands).
My question is: what about pushing these hands vs someone who calls AI very lightly, arround 40% of hands? With things like JT,K6, even K3of sometimes.

It must sound crazy but I've seen that situation many times in my 2e level.

If I compare 44 vs that calling range, using equilab, I get a 51% equity, but fold equity is not that high (they are folding 40% of times, so if we are at 20 bbs we are not getting that much from their folds).

And I think I have an edge vs these people, I have an 70 evchips in HU in a 800 sample (still being a noob myself, that's why ask this kind of things).

So, any tip about how to play these hands vs those specific players? I keep pushing them, because it's EV+ and without position vs probably aggro players I don't know any other play.

If they are calling too much... maybe not pushing 22-33 and including in my os range ATo is much better? (I'm pushing from A9-A7 already.

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Old 05-19-2017, 11:45 AM   #330
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It depends on the rake.

Rake EV chips per game
8% 44
7% 38
6% 32
5% 27
Hi max. Are those numbers the minimal to Breakeven or for a certain EV roi?
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Old 05-19-2017, 03:34 PM   #331
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Hi there!
I have a question. In SB vs BB, 3handed, from 20 to 25, UOP, according to the preflop ranges I play I have to push from 55 to 22 (also another hands).
My question is: what about pushing these hands vs someone who calls AI very lightly, arround 40% of hands? With things like JT,K6, even K3of sometimes.

It must sound crazy but I've seen that situation many times in my 2e level.

If I compare 44 vs that calling range, using equilab, I get a 51% equity, but fold equity is not that high (they are folding 40% of times, so if we are at 20 bbs we are not getting that much from their folds).

And I think I have an edge vs these people, I have an 70 evchips in HU in a 800 sample (still being a noob myself, that's why ask this kind of things).

So, any tip about how to play these hands vs those specific players? I keep pushing them, because it's EV+ and without position vs probably aggro players I don't know any other play.

If they are calling too much... maybe not pushing 22-33 and including in my os range ATo is much better? (I'm pushing from A9-A7 already.

Thank you!
Yeah that's a tricky one sometimes. Basically what we would have to look at is not just which moves are +EV, but which decision would be the max EV one.

With some hands for example we would have 51% equity + the fold equity, which combined would give us an expected value of let's say +0.3BB. Do we expect to win more than this by minraising, or even limping?

Against some opponents we can see that they are very passive in limped pots. So while pushing our somewhat weaker holdings would certainly be +EV, it is not necessarily the best option available to us. We could opt to limp and then cbet at a very high frequency. One of the reasons he might be calling our shoves that wide could be he just likes to see flops.

So sometimes by taking a +EV line (because basically what you're saying is: 'whenever I shove I get called by worse hands very often and I don't like it') we are not making the best decision available to us, just the easiest one by having a chart tell us what won't be a -EV decision and then stop thinking.
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Old 05-21-2017, 11:59 AM   #332
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Hi max. Are those numbers the minimal to Breakeven or for a certain EV roi?
Those are approximate numbers for 0% EV ROI (break-even).
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Old 05-23-2017, 10:06 PM   #333
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How does chipev per game appears on PokerTracker 4? I just can't find it
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Old 05-23-2017, 10:56 PM   #334
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How does chipev per game appears on PokerTracker 4? I just can't find it
Custom stat; you can download it from the PT4 website. In the meantime, you can simply find you total cEV won and divide by the number of games.
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:14 AM   #335
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Custom stat; you can download it from the PT4 website. In the meantime, you can simply find you total cEV won and divide by the number of games.


Is it total won chips divided with number of games or is net expected chips won divided with number of games?


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Old 05-24-2017, 10:02 AM   #336
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Old 05-24-2017, 12:51 PM   #337
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Custom stat; you can download it from the PT4 website. In the meantime, you can simply find you total cEV won and divide by the number of games.
Thank you!
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Old 05-24-2017, 10:30 PM   #338
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Can someone please explain the formula to work out the breakeven point in spins for a certain percentage of rake? For example if rake was 8.5% how do you work out what percentage of games you have to win/cev to break even? Much thanks
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Old 05-24-2017, 10:54 PM   #339
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Can someone please explain the formula to work out the breakeven point in spins for a certain percentage of rake? For example if rake was 8.5% how do you work out what percentage of games you have to win/cev to break even? Much thanks
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EV chips won per game = total chips won / total games.

Rake is 0.04 for $7+ games, 0.05 for $3, and 0.07 for $1.


Breaking it down:
Expected ROI = ((expected win rate * expected prize pool buyins) - 1 buyin) * 100

Expected win rate = (EV chips won per game + 500) / 1500

Expected prize pool buyins = 3 - 3 * rake = (1 - rake) * 3


Example:
Rake = 0.04
EV chips per game = 40

Expected prize pool buyins
= (1 - rake) * 3
= (1 - 0.04) * 3
= .96 * 3
= 2.88

Expected win rate
= (40 + 500) / 1500 = 0.36

Expected ROI
= (0.36 * 2.88 - 1) * 100
= 3.68% (see note)


Note: This is for a purely winner-take-all format, so actual expected ROIs will differ for .com Spin&Go, being very slightly lower for expected winners. For the example above, expected ROI will actually be 3.61% rather than 3.68%.
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Hi guys!

Havent played poker for almost 2 years. Played some low stakes PLO back then. Im little curious on trying Spin & Go's but have no clue how beatable it is at microstakes. Is it higher raked than micro plo? If you just wanna play for fun 3-5 hours a week but still wanna win some, is spin & go the way to go?
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