First off, "completely random" doesn't exist, you need to use an algorithm to get very close to random. These algorithms vary, and certainly could be proprietary information. This is standard and nothing to be concerned with.

That being said, they did say they distribute randomly. What they didn't share is proof of it because that would involve showing exactly how many tournaments have been played which is clearly business sensitive.

Here's the relevant quote from Baard from this thread:



No, it's always been random. There was some discussion earlier where people confused the PokerStars system to iPoker Twisters, which are apparently done in batches.

I sincerely doubt that spins are pre-determined or have any internal system pattern.

Got a question...

I saw today @ 5 $ Crack & Go HU and both were talking about making a deal for the remaining &&& it was 6k $ prizepool 2 left, normal payout would 5k for 1st place + 500 $ runner up.. so they said they would send teh moniez after finishing...

Is that allowed by pokerstars? somekinda ur own biz if u make some kind of "privat deal" or is that against any of their conditions ?

Sorry if that question was already answered and thanks for the help

p.s. i was playing almost 6 hours constantly 6-8 tabling this 5 $ crack & go but never happens to me this 6k + prizepools
although i think i saw it today min. 5 times

anyway vpps and massive tilting moments for free (~ 40 bi +)

thanks in advance

You're allowed to do it but if you get screwed over (or you screw somebody over) Pokerstars is not going to do anything about it. So it's risky.

there was a thread about 2 people doing this and the guy who won never followed through on the agreement and it seems like the vibe was that PS didnt do anything about it. I could be wrong but its pretty much what bbfg says

ok cool guys thanks for the quick answer...
so how would you guys react if somebody is asking you for the 108k pot for example... would you agree and if yes how would you proceed to be safer ? i mean its not like the typical deal talk: i agree and thats it
if so than it obvious way to scammy
i dunno just asking cuz i have feeling that this sunday.... ^^

"I'll agree only if you let me win"

+1 on this

same procedure for me

for example: as a sign of being honest everybody is sitting out or something like that..
just to be honest i dont trust stars anyway 100 % even less random players in the pool especially from certain countries

I wonder if it's against TOS to include the "let me win" clause.

I know it is in mtts cause of tlb points

How about "If I win" instead?

Yeah but in these things its none of Stars business really when 2 players agree to chop final table since it has no further consequences.

I asked them in the past and they said they wouldnt enforce it though, so i wouldnt do that with anyone i cannot completly trust to begin with. With people i dont know well/trust, if they give me their chips, okay, if not, no way around playing it out.

But frankly i still hope they start producing some automated deal making like on FTP... I mean why would it be okay to do so on FTP but not on Stars... makes no sense.

No 1M yet? Only 2 days left..

I guess its time for them to start spamming the tables with annoying pop ups to PLEASE play the 5$ games so the jackpot can finally hit

even so (if one 1M hits) Stars should be way ahead $-wise. I`m pretty sure the 5$ Spins are happening more frequently than 1 per second (probably 2-3) and with nearly 2,7kk seconds per month Stars is taking damn $

Yes Stars got themselves a christmas bonus with the introduction of the 1M spin and goes.

Do you guys that play these think there more profitable than hu hypers?

Much less variance in hu hypers, you can grind consistent profit. These you bounce all over the place. Hypers ftw imo.

The question is more about the traffic in hypers than the profitability of spin and go

Thanks. Yer I don't think it would be fun being a consistent winner at the spin & go's and running bad in all the big multipliers.

Yea, I guess its just variance. Although the incentive for stars would be to keep the fish playing. People 5 tabling arent as likely to be recs and are probably going to continue playing on stars on the spins or some other game, whereas those 1/2 tabling are more likely to be recs. Paying out to recs to keep em playing at stars is def a big incentive.

Indeed it is a big incentive. But the incentive not to be outed as a rigged site is even greater since they would not only lose many customers, but face some lengthy legal battles.

As is right now the most +EV thing for Stars is definite NOT rigging its software.

I was interested to read respected 60's HU reg Pl@yerABC has appeared to put some work into studying these and will be legitimately grinding these for profit in 2015.

Reading things like this from such a respected player makes wonder whether I should also dedicate some time to learning Spin & Go and expanding upon my somewhat repetitive HU Hyper grind.

At the end of the day, the profit follows the recs.

When I first started, turbos were new and many regs bitched that turbos played too fast and had too thin of edges. Didn't matter, bc the avg player wanted to play turbos more than reg speeds, so turbos thrived.

The same thing happened with hyper turbo husngs. People said too much variance/swings, not enough edge and no way on earth two regs could ever face each other without just trading rake.

Now, spin and gos come out, and you see people signing petitions that these are "casino games" and whatnot. Seems absurd the longer we go on and the more results we see from grinders.

Taking a step back, variance is larger than we've seen in hypers, but it's always progressed that way, and still in many ways is not as bad as MTT variance.

But you go from reg speed to turbo speed to hyper turbo to spin and go and you increase variance each time. But for the first three, you've clearly increased profit each time as well. Not that there is a correlation, but if the argument is "more variance, so not as much profit," that's been proven wrong the last two times a more popular, faster paced variant came about in HUSNGs, so lets not judge based on that.

My opinion is that time will tell how profitable these end up being, and the main factor will be how popular they are. If they stay popular, they should be quite profitable. If interest fades, they will be a small niche.

What are people thoughts on respected players like Pl@yerABC chasing profit in this format?

Personally it has raised my interest level and motivation to dedicate some time to learning these properly.