Glad to see you around again Keith!

I think your dead money statement might be a bit too personal bias though, as the HUSNGs got more profitable over the years, not less (even last year, if you take a lot of the blocked big winners, they did a lot better than the best guys did when you were playing HS).

I think we'll see the same thing in Spin and Gos as with hyper HUSNGs: Early on, everyone talks about how bad all the fish are, but the pros are also not nearly as good as they can be, so everyone is "bad" relative to where they will be in a few years.

Then, if the games stay popular, they will continue to be at least as profitable, if not more, in a few years, as the pros will get better at a faster rate than the non pros (that's what happened with hyper HUSNGs essentially, and really even turbos before that).

A counter argument to this that I've heard is "well the HU portion of 3 handed SNGs is the same as HU hypers, so there's not as much edge to find in this game, it'll be quickly mastered." But you could've said the same thing about hyper HUSNGs (it's just the end of a turbo HUSNG, which were played for years prior by pros), and hyper HUSNG improvement came a long, long way (and still has plenty of room btw).

Really, I think the key to most game types being profitable is simply popularity. That's the strongest correlation by far that I've observed over the years.

Is there a way to turn the jackpot wheel off? I would like to grind them without knowing the prize pool.

Modify gx\spingo-table-disp-nums.png and gx\spingo-table-disp-signs.png; make them transparent (with GIMP for example).

Running PokerStarsUpdate.exe will undo your changes, so have your icon shortcut pointing to PokerStars.exe instead.

Thanks!

You're welcome.

Typo in the above; the files are in gx\spingo;
gx\spingo\spingo-table-disp-nums.png and
gx\spingo\spingo-table-disp-signs.png

Don't forget to run PokerStarsUpdate.exe from time to time (after backing up your modded files; the update will reinstall the original files). Bit of a hassle. I run PokerStarsUpdate.exe before I start playing (never know if they have an important update) and copy the modded files to gx\spingo after that.

I did something similar in the past, replaced the graphics with some overcolored pics.. But this crashed the entire Spin mechanism.. Disabled my chatbox, disabled the changing background colors... Is this still happening...?

BTW. i would pay for a custom mod that would only show higher multipliers 25x+ and the lower ones just stay one color no spinning wheel no prize pool at table. Any takers?

OT: I have to acknowledge Stars' smartness as to speeding the game up - since the last update, they've been dealing hole cards in the first hand a few seconds before the slot graphic stops; and the slots don't close the hole cards , while iPoker's wheel does for a couple of seconds

You replaced the png's? I just took those from stars and made them transparent (GIMP); works fine. For the higher payouts, they issue a separate announcement (so if you want or not, you will know anyway when it's a high multiplier). Also made a little program that is always on top and covers the prize pool label.

that's what you get when you learn how to crush them:

Btw, a 'Step 2 Spin & Go' (with a $27 buy-in, awarding, on a random basis, a Step 2-6 ticket or a PCA package to the winner and Step 1-6 tickets (respectively) to two other players) would be a curious thing

what about calling that new gaming format spewlette?

I'm afraid that the poker meaning of the term 'spew' is unknown to recreational players. Negative associations with the word 'spewlette' would be coming to my mind if I was starting out with poker now.

I open button with a8s first hand of game. sb shoves, bb snap call. I toss, they flip 84o and 87s.

Just **** you. **** you

Does anyone know how the distribution of these things work? DO they wait for the prize pool to add up to certain amount before a big one can go off or do I have a one in a billion shot to be playing two 3000x at the same time?

I think it's more like 1 in 10 billion (assuming you are playing only the 2 games), but yeah, the second one. The chances are independent of what has happened in other games.

wouldn't it be a shame if stars ran bad with the random prize pool generation and lost money on these games

are they no longer "batch" issued like they were?

used to be 20k blocks containing exactly the amt of games that were supposed to be present for each multiplier

supposedly

Where did you read that? Im curios as well how stars distributes these.. obv such a batch generation would be a nice way for stars to smoothen out things in ev yet would leave them open for exploitation imo... then again im sure they dont so it in a 20k set since e.g. the 30 3k didnt hit for much longer than 20k games earlier this month... maybe they wait for a certain amount of games to be played until they release a batch that is randomly distributed in the future..

It's random every time, there's no need for Stars to risk their reputation angling when they make massive profits on these games and can handle a lot of run bad.

Haha, I officially want to use my one time!!!

"Freak incident shows Spin&go tournaments dole out 1000 top prizes of £108,000 simultaneously!!" This will make a small dent in Pokertstars yearly profits who for some reason previously needed to increase rake to improve the games.

Serious note: Why the hell have stars cut off such a massive chunk of their market by making these ungrindable, possibly unbeatable?

These games with grinders would make the fishes chance of winning go from 200,000/1 to 250,000/1.....next to zero impact.

Make them grindable and theres possibilty for teams etc.

ret-ards

I looked at the spin&go website and it says that deal making is not possible, but the top prize pools of the day are all shared.. Does anyone know what happens when you get one of the top tier multipliers? Is it automatically accompanied by support before the first hand is dealt? Or does a chop button option appear?

Because everyone gets some sort of payout in the top prizepools. Stars has no deal button.

ah okay, thanks. Yeesh, this game is truly for masochists.

This is how iPoker issues Twister prizes (as per, say, the Twister T&C at Ladbrokes' site). Stars' algorithm is unknown; presumably, each Spin prize is generated independently, otherwise it would be possible to estimate the chance of getting a 3600x preciser by looking up the times of previous jackpots (which aren't published on iPoker).

Yeah, coon74 points out that the actual method is not public knowledge. When I stated they are independent I should have mentioned that is an assumption on my part based on their description/advertising and not any actual knowledge of how they do it.