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Old 05-16-2017, 12:29 PM   #6001
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50cpg is absolutely fine its your evITM that will need to be up a bit to reduce overall variance and bring up evROI look to imrpove your heads up play and to answer your question yea that is good enough to beat whatever stakes your playing but 2.2% evROI will experience huge swings. 200-300 buy in swings are not unheard of with that %
50cpg is way less fine at 8% rake than at 5 or 6%. Weird how you say his cpg is fine while his evitm is too low -- these things are literally directly connected. Hard to say exactly what he needs to improve without seeing some stats though.

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I guess i should work on my HU game. Im used to SH cashgaming so im still getting used to all this. Any help/coaching will be much appreciated....
I would post some vpip/pfr/cbet type stats for both 3h and hu play and see if you can get some feedback.

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Old 05-16-2017, 06:51 PM   #6002
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50cpg is way less fine at 8% rake than at 5 or 6%. Weird how you say his cpg is fine while his evitm is too low -- these things are literally directly connected. Hard to say exactly what he needs to improve without seeing some stats though.

I would post some vpip/pfr/cbet type stats for both 3h and hu play and see if you can get some feedback.
All of this.

Would want a 2-3% higher winrate to make up for the 2-3% rake increase.

Pretty rare to see actual unpaid coaching happen via 2+2 forums, but if you start a PGC and post hands, there's a decent chance someone will pop in to give advice.
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Old 05-17-2017, 02:21 AM   #6003
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Until how many bb's is it ok to limp in HU? I have been limping until 8bb and if I or villain go under that start playing push/fold w NASH and limping pockets and top 10%. Is this correct play?


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Old 05-17-2017, 04:16 AM   #6004
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hello, so yesterday player melchiadees (hungarian) just admitted while playing that his buddies(as he called them) shared their hand history(involved me obviously) and then called out to play hu. Of course i made print screen sent to stars and got response they are now investigating this matter. Just wanted to let everyone know about him and hungarian stable. p.s any information would be also helpful.
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Old 05-17-2017, 04:58 AM   #6005
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hello, so yesterday player melchiadees (hungarian) just admitted while playing that his buddies(as he called them) shared their hand history(involved me obviously) and then called out to play hu. Of course i made print screen sent to stars and got response they are now investigating this matter. Just wanted to let everyone know about him and hungarian stable. p.s any information would be also helpful.
Post the screenshots please? Will then share to stars as well!
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Old 05-17-2017, 05:13 AM   #6006
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Old 05-17-2017, 05:48 AM   #6007
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Old 05-17-2017, 06:58 AM   #6008
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hello, so yesterday player melchiadees (hungarian) just admitted while playing that his buddies(as he called them) shared their hand history(involved me obviously) and then called out to play hu. Of course i made print screen sent to stars and got response they are now investigating this matter. Just wanted to let everyone know about him and hungarian stable. p.s any information would be also helpful.
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I’d like to reply of this accusation. Every regular can confirm that BnG18 is a huge trashtalker who often insult players, nations and generally behave really badly. I always try to stay calm, and not answer his insults. The story behind it, long time ago he said that he’d play against me all day in HU and once i said yes, he refused to play and that was it, but he kept insulting, and that drove me crazy and he wouldnt stop. It was unprofessional from me to answer his insult and i’d like to apologize.
What I wrote here (showing HHs) i meant the offical HH sharing (boom) which is really famous among the whole poker comminity to show hands (this way). I don’t use any additonal hands and never did. Period.
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:06 AM   #6009
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i agree i`m toxic thats why i asked stars to ban my chat(its been banned atleast for 6months or even 8), but what thats got to do with sharing hh ? Just stop lying you outed your self hard. people were talking long time about you hungarians sharing hh and analyzing games(obv not talking about every hungarian), just hope more people will out you. I really hope you get banned. And gotta love boom explanation lol we played with each other so many many games and you only now realized how bad i`m only after your "buddies" showed you some hands from boom replay pretty interesting. p.s you never agreed to play i said i will play 6 tables 30$ bi hu you said it was too low for you lies after lies

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Old 05-17-2017, 07:37 AM   #6010
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hu4rollz to settle imo
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Old 05-17-2017, 07:43 AM   #6011
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hu4rollz to settle imo
what thats have to do with that there are group of people sharing hand histories and having unfair advantage. How that will solve this problem lol
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Old 05-17-2017, 08:30 AM   #6012
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Take his roll and he will have to drop down to 0.25s. Problem at least partially solved. Take his friends rolls - problem solved. Until they grind back up to your stakes. Then repeat the taking of rolls.
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Old 05-17-2017, 01:48 PM   #6013
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Not sure about the $100's but for the $10 spins seems like they added a 250x, i don't recall seeing this before
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Old 05-17-2017, 02:05 PM   #6014
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Sorry *25x

Does anybody know what the odds were before the 25x was added? to compare
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Old 05-17-2017, 02:13 PM   #6015
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That's what the odds used to be:

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Old 05-18-2017, 12:16 PM   #6016
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Any good spin and go twitch streamers? Or training videos floating around?
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Old 05-19-2017, 02:26 AM   #6017
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Tarhsid check out SmartSpin on YouTube, they have some good free videos. What stakes are you playing?
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Old 05-22-2017, 04:20 AM   #6018
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That's what the odds used to be:

wtf now the odds are 1 in 10million to hit the 1mil...

$10 buyin x 10,000,000 =100 million put in to win 1 million? lol pokerstars.
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Old 05-22-2017, 05:40 AM   #6019
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wtf now the odds are 1 in 10million to hit the 1mil...

$10 buyin x 10,000,000 =100 million put in to win 1 million? lol pokerstars.
Do you have a source? The pokerstars site is not updated for me.

Also, why would you ever play the $10s over $7s and 15s? You'll just pay more rake for even top heavier multipliers.
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Old 05-22-2017, 05:45 AM   #6020
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Also, why would you ever play the $10s over $7s and 15s? You'll just pay more rake for even top heavier multipliers.
Can't think of a single reason?
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Old 05-22-2017, 05:52 AM   #6021
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Has anyone made over 1k sample on 15s PLO spins?
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Old 05-22-2017, 11:32 PM   #6022
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Every regular can confirm that BnG18 is a huge trashtalker who often insult players, nations and generally behave really badly.
Melchiadees
I'll confirm this, he does not seem the kind of person to take serious in any matter.
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Old 05-24-2017, 10:30 PM   #6023
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Can someone please explain the formula to work out the breakeven point in spins for a certain percentage of rake? For example if rake was 8.5% how do you work out what percentage of games you have to win/cev to break even? Much thanks
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Old 05-24-2017, 10:55 PM   #6024
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Can someone please explain the formula to work out the breakeven point in spins for a certain percentage of rake? For example if rake was 8.5% how do you work out what percentage of games you have to win/cev to break even? Much thanks
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EV chips won per game = total chips won / total games.

Rake is 0.04 for $7+ games, 0.05 for $3, and 0.07 for $1.


Breaking it down:
Expected ROI = ((expected win rate * expected prize pool buyins) - 1 buyin) * 100

Expected win rate = (EV chips won per game + 500) / 1500

Expected prize pool buyins = 3 - 3 * rake = (1 - rake) * 3


Example:
Rake = 0.04
EV chips per game = 40

Expected prize pool buyins
= (1 - rake) * 3
= (1 - 0.04) * 3
= .96 * 3
= 2.88

Expected win rate
= (40 + 500) / 1500 = 0.36

Expected ROI
= (0.36 * 2.88 - 1) * 100
= 3.68% (see note)


Note: This is for a purely winner-take-all format, so actual expected ROIs will differ for .com Spin&Go, being very slightly lower for expected winners. For the example above, expected ROI will actually be 3.61% rather than 3.68%.
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Old 05-25-2017, 11:16 AM   #6025
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Hey guys recently i started to play spin and Go's 3s currently and decided to come for some feedback in my stats. I dont think showing graph is valid here, cuz im with Hm2 the only important thing might be that i have 33.6% ITM according to hm2 after 800 games with -1.28 ROI% on

VPIP 44 / PFR 30 / BB fold to stl vs BU 55 / vs SB 45
RFI 39 BU / 37 SB with 22% Limp
3B 13% / Fold vs 3b 55% /

Flop CB 51% / Turn 47 / river 50
Fold to flop CB 50 / turn 36 / river 47 / WWSF 46
12% raise vs flopCB / stab vs missed cb 37 / skip flop cb and c/f OOP 43%
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