Had your Party account been on a downswing just before you got those tickets?

due to the recent development at pokerstars i am interested in branching out to another site. however, one point that is rarely discussed is the dedication to game integrity. in my research about smaller rooms i found alot of talk about bots and how the room managers didn't care and didn't take measures.

does anybody have a recommendation with regards to this? what other pokerroom except for stars is relatively invested in the prevention of botting?

Basing on Lessu's posting history, I strongly suspect that Party is using reports from SafePoker to detect NLHE cash bots but perhaps not PLO or tourney ones yet.

That said, it's rather hard to deploy truly winning bots in SNG Hero as it's a novel game and so they'd have to be custom-written in order not to suck at this game. I don't think anyone has bothered to do this yet.

I don't think anyone who's not used to playing outside Stars has to quit Stars just because of their VIP changes - they'll make the regs reduce the number of played tables to maintain a bigger ROI (while paying less rake per hour) so the games will become a bit softer.

How are the Twisters compared to stars? I'm still not 100% where to play. Decent enough traffic at low stakes?

There's no 'universally softest' game. Each game requires a different skillset and suits different categories of players. Like at any business, the best way to succeed is to find your own niche according to your strengths and weaknesses.

Making an optimal profit at Twister at 'serious' stakes (I'd say, €10+) requires mass multitabling (preferably 6+ tables at once, which is similar to 4 Stars tables in terms of workload) because a significant part of the overall ROI comes from the Twister races. Correspondingly, I suppose that the majority of the seats in the €50 Twister is occupied by mass-multitabling regs (I haven't played on iPoker for almost a year but I remember that was the case at the €10 stake when it was the biggest on offer). This has pluses and minuses.

A plus is that you can get to know the leaks of each of regs and exploit them quite well until they switch to another iPoker skin and change the screenname by doing so, though there aren't too many good iPoker skins left so those switches don't happen too often and extensive notes can be taken on regs unlike on Microgaming where they change names every session.

A minus of those races is obviously that fewer seats per game are occupied by recreationals that there would be otherwise, though the marketing efforts of iPoker skins work decently as well as the ban of Ukrainians. I can't compare the reg-to-fish ratios on iPoker and Stars because I've never played enough at Stars.

Also, the length of the blind levels in Twister is 2 minutes (as well as in Fish Party) and there are antes starting from the 2nd level (15/30 ante 5, with the same starting stacks of 500), so the edge comes less from elaborate deepstack postflop play but more from recs' mistakes at high blind levels (e.g. not shoving wide enough with <5 bb) where they're less in terms of bb/100 but still be big in terms of chips. Anyway, the cEVs are lower than they'd be in a 3-minute blind level game, and the main way to achieve a good hourly is mass multitabling with a smallish ROI and therefore tighter bankroll management.

Clutch analysis.

Would probably recommend sng hero myself due to potential bounty edge, but not quite sure/don't know how regs are actually doing in those games.

Thanks ****! And Duncelanas, what would that bounty edge be? To me the bounty made it less attractive (this + 4 handed) to play at Party because this takes away from prize pool. But didn't look at the structure etc. well enough tbh.

****, you write like you know what you say, but you have no clue at all, which is funny. I cant figure it out why nobody told you already to, literally, shut the f*** up. Have you ever thought about investing your time elsewhere?

On a side note, who hit the million last night?

cøøn is quite a polarising figure i can see.

dont see the harm in him giving people info not like hes trying to give 100s regs strat advice lol

That random hostility

Would like to see a graph of someone playing €50 twisters in CEV, are they actually soft?

Those downswings can really mess with your head. Get ahold of yourself, man!

That downswing is really messing with my head so I write random stuff on poker forums about things I don't know, instead of losing money at the tables at those moments. When I feel at the top of my poker shape, I obviously stop writing and start grinding.

No one has to read my posts.

Royalhd's question had been left without an answer for half a day and I thought that the total silence had been impolite.

Personally, I don't mind it either way, whether Stars regs stay where they are or move to Twister en masse.

I'm usually too scared to test the waters with my bankroll so, instead of jumping in and losing, I first do some superficial analysis of how much the design of the game (the blind levels etc.) is attractive to recs and of how much the poker site / network caters to regs and recs. And I wouldn't be able to play at all the sites at the same time anyway but I have to continuously evaluate the games that I'm not grinding to see if I'm not missing out on anything sweet.

And I did grind Twister in 2015 and even beat the €10 stake somewhat (I'm not going to post graphs because it will be +EV for me if people consider me a clown) so it's not like I'm totally unfamiliar with the subject.

To be fair, most regs think 99% of other regs are clowns.

Nobody studies 4 handed play or how to adjust to bounties. These are potential sources of edge in the games. Same reason bounty builders on PS are so crushable -- doesn't matter that the prizepools are smaller when the field is making bigger mistakes.

Incidentally, c0on, if you were slightly less risk averse and slightly more willing to get in the mix I think you could be much farther in poker than you are (or seem to be, anyway). With that said, as I understand it, you have a pretty limited and particular set of goals re poker earnings. But I think you might want to consider pushing the spots you find a bit harder, as more money in your pocket now will compound on itself later.

Shrug.

co on's name is blocked but not on his actual screenname, a complex paradox that i fear ill never unlock.

For the record, I was referring to Rayden's downswing. And not to really knock him hard... they really can mess with even a strong mind.

Post on, brutha!

I agree with all of this, except the claim that opponents' mistakes in a non-HU game are always to my benefit.

As a simple example, if the bounty is on my head in SNG Hero and all the 3 opponents play 'cEV Nash' strategies, then I can't win more than 25% of the time, by the definition of the Nash equilibrium for the cEV mode. Whereas if they were playing the 'SNG Hero Nash' (bounty-aware) strategies, trying harder to pick my bounty and thus stacking off lighter when I'm shortstacked and openshove, then I could win more than 25% of the time as I'd be extracting more value from each of them.

Of course, the real opponents play differently and not really well, and I do believe you in that they can be beat overall, but the fact that they theoretically can implicitly collude against me, without even realising that they're hurting my tourney equity by their suboptimal actions, is worth noting.

Sadly, I'm too prone to risk aversion and self-sabotage. I'm my own enemy who doesn't allow me to do what the rational part of me considers optimal.

Hey **** that ticket thing is pretty interesting. I had a downswing on bwin, had left for a while and they offered a few hundred bucks in tickets and a bonus to come back. Looks like Party might be specifically targeting losing accounts? Interesting if so. Could partly explain lack of a general bonus also.

Was wondering about this actually- are there any bots in the wild yet that adjust for bounty tournaments? Have to assume it's tricky since bounty pots can be multiway etc.

So the alternatives to spin are 888, Party, Ipoker, what about ACR? I see the blind structure is identical to Stars, so how soft are this Jackpot Poker compared to Stars? Plz respond

Is there anyone who would be willing to help me with some spots? Like a study buddy? I guess someone better who wouldn't mind the time to answer some questions and possibly the -EV of seeing me at their stakes one day. Maybe there is someone who'd get some joy out of seeing someone else getting better.
I guess it could be a long shot, but worth the try. PM me or just add me on skype - klavs. (with the dot)

I'm playing 15s now and my cEV is 77 c/g over 800 games 2 tabling. At 10s I had 108 c/g over 600 games.

Why?

Maybe they'll hire him for birthday parties

Because if I invent a genius plan like Cog's limping, regs won't bother to think about my reasons for employing it.