Mbn to have that kind of **** you money.

I on the other hand fully accept bribes. Feel free to send the PMs my way, corporate overlords reading the thread.

No-no, I was thinking more along the lines of a comparably softer, lower variance spin version. Something like Twister I guess. Or possibly Americas Cardroom Jackpot. And maybe some results people are getting playing them. It's a little tough to get on iPoker and Party from where I live in now, but I will probably have to try out games on other sites someday soon. I didn't know about the Party version with a knockout. Sounds interesting.

On the side note, Spins feels quite like a rainbow after seeing 180s slowly die and sites like ps.fr and winamax.fr being taken away. It actually seems even better than finding out and starting to grind 180s, at least for now there seems a little more room to grow and the format is a lot friendlier not asking you to sit there for 7 straight hours in the evening to get in a decent session. Not that I was playing just 180s though. I remember the days something like 4 years ago when Party had $50 and $100 turbo mtt's if I remember correctly and I guess everyone who was good at turbos was too lazy to play on other sites than Pokerstars and you could just bink them like $2 180s. Actually I think they were even softer than than $2s. And smaller fields. That was lovely. For some unfortunate reason Party took them away pretty fast.

But Spins. A rainbow. Yes. Unicorns. Mhm. And there are many little unicorn brothers and sisters on other sites. Ohh how cute!

Sundays are special days for Spin players, right? Last week it was magical on 10s. I don't know if those of the friendliest peeps were going for the million or what, but they really didn't care about the 20$ on the table.

Blast now available on WSOP (NJ).

www.wsop.com/online-poker/blast-poker/

How is this for BB defending range vs BT open? If too wide, how much tighter? And about how much tighter we call from SB vs unknowns?

klkr, considering your turbo SNG background and your familiarity with various payout structures and bubbles, you might want to try SNG 2.0. The traffic at the stakes higher than $5.50 (the lowest available buy-in) is rather small, though, especially outside the American evening peak hours.

And Sundays are money-printing days for all poker pros, not just spinners. GL to us!

As of today no reload bonus available - maybe there are more changes planned than I thought unfortunately - Party would usually do a bonus as part of a tourney series. Twister prob a better option as it stands.

The problem with Spins though is that they've made it acceptable to charge 5-7% rake on a hyper-format 2-4 person game. The rake difference on partypoker highlights the absurdity - they have a $1000 + $10 game in the lobby but SNG hero is $95 + $5 !

The rake depends on how fast recs lose to regs and how attractive the game is to recs (how much it entices them to reload). Lottery SNGs are clearly more attractive than fixed prize pool hypers, hence the bigger rake.

SNG Hero is however not so hyper - its HU tends to start at 20 bb effective or deeper, sometimes even 40 bb. I mean, the HU of usual 4-6-man hypers is much shallower. The bounty in Hero ensures that someone busts quite quick, switching the game into 2-3-max.

Noob question here, I don't understand how rake affects Lottery SNGs, at all, since they don't affect prize pools like normal SNGs. Rakeback I see it usable.

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The rake in lottery SNGs is hidden in the prize probability distribution. E.g. calculate the EV of the prize pool of a $1 spin - the numbers add up not to $3 but to $2.76, which equals 3*$0.92, as would the prize pool of a $0.92+0.08 3-max non-spin STT.

The spin rake actually works exactly like the house advantage in slots, where the payouts are usually an integer number of line bets but their EV is slightly less than the bet.

The unknown product manager at Winamax who had the idea to crossbreed SNGs and slots (so Expresso SNGs were born in the middle of 2013) was a genius.

Understandable.. Thanks!

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You're welcome!

Speaking of 888's innovations elsewhere,

I really hope that the 'fast' (or rather, 'quicker than a quickie') version turn out to have rake not bigger than 2/3 of the usual Blast rake, though I'm not holding my breath.

But anyway, if it expands to higher stakes, it's going to cannibalise some customers from the 6-minute Blast, and those looking to transition to the 6-minute games should be warned of this fact. Also, the $5 satellites will likely be permanent (feeding to $215 / $320 / $600 MTTs when the next XL series is far away) so they'll be taking good customers away from the regular $5 Blast.

Of course, Fast Blast may come to NJ too if it proves successful in the ROW. Which I doubt because, after testing Wild Twister in its .fr pool, iPoker has decided not to roll it out in the .com pool but to change the prize structure of the regular Twister instead, increasing the probability of a 100x, as I've written above.

Hi,

what kind of sb defending % you guys have? I currently have a flatting range of around 35%. Too wide?

Oops, this statement was premature

Today, iPoker has introduced a game called 'Wild Twister' to the .com pool but it's very different from the February .fr version; in fact, it's not a game of skill and not really poker.

Namely, every player is put all-in in each and every hand. The winner of this 3-man €0.50 lottery gets a ticket to the regular Twister with a value that varies randomly from €1 to €50.



The rake is 6%, so it's a money grab into iPoker's pockets, a casino game in the poker lobby similar to WPN's Spin To Get In. But at least this game catapults microstake players into higher stake Twister for regs' dinner so it has a bit of a silver lining.

The details can be found e.g. at Coral's offer page. Thanks to the 2+2'er 'jinjerjohn' for pointing this dubious novelty out to me.

I hope it shares the miserable fate of Party's $10 Power Series Hero that has very little traffic, even less than the $100 Trickett Hero. Far not everyone fancies to drop a few €0.50 / $10 BIs and only get a €1 / $22 ticket in the end most of the time when they can just buy into a €1 / $22 game directly.

Unfortunate developments really. Yea was always disappointed that power series sng had higher rake- I like the format of a 3 man sng with antes. Party have actually run rake-free satellite MTTs before so was expecting lower rake on that one.

Would love to have been in the room when 888 thought "fast blast" was a good name for a poker game.

Why is it bad?

Best resources to learn more about HU limping strategy? Some free ones?

Cog Dissonance is the absolute master, may I say the inventor, of that. You should ask him.

Isn't most of his videos kind of old? I have watched what was in that $50 husng.com pack a few years ago. Too bad it seems it cannot be downloaded anymore.

I guess I'm finally ready to invest some money in videos and HUDs.

Can people give advices on best value videos for both improving 3 handed and HU game, also which HUD to choose?

Cog did private coaching for years too, but he only coaches for a staking program now, that's where you'd go for him.

You wouldn't want to use the $50 pack videos for today's limping strategy though. (btw if you need to redownload just shoot us an email with your user account, download permissions expire over the years and it's no problem to reset it).

There were kind of two schools of thought 6-8 years ago in the games about perflop limping vs raising. You had plenty of guys that advocated raising a very wide range, taking advantage of opponents that back then would fold too often OOP and just take the immediate realized edge from that. I was one of those guys, and the attraction of aggression in general was the more popular preflop strategy. Then there were guys like Cog, plenty of them, but they were definitely in the minority of regs. Brilliant27 was another guy I believe, guys that wanted to keep a pot smaller preflop, they felt they could realize a massive edge postflop (in many cases find a big hand and just get huge value from it vs weaker strong hands that wouldn't ever fold) and you could also get a better feel for your opponent and exploit them as necessary. It's hard to argue with the latter strategy back in those games, you saw a lot of those regs with longer game times (especially in reg speed games where that strategy was more popular) but their ROIs were huge and downswings were few and far between. But I think you also had a lot of good regs that limped that were not as strong mentally, lacking confidence. I remember a guy with a ~16% per game ROI asking for a stake back then bc he didn't want to lose his money (imagine that!). On the flip side you had so many guys that were super aggro pre and postflop that would hover between losing and small edge per game too.

When ST/HTs came around limping became even more popular, and then a few years ago it became the norm for regs to have a wide limping range.

Of all people, DN probably deserves a lot of credit for inspiring many people to limp in the late 00s and early 10s. His small ball strategy was essentially copied/interpreted in many ways, I personally remember discussing that with many regs and I think a lot people (myself too at one time) would just throw out small bets postflop vs anyone to see if we could steal a lot of pots. Others would just limp everything. I don't know if it was the right strategy at the time, and why it was or wasn't in any case, if I had the ability to go back in time I'd of studied a PT4 database in more depth. Mersenneary really moved the population towards effective database studying about 5-6 years ago, though there were certainly plenty of people doing it for years in all game types.

Looks like microgaming's fish party is out as an option for Stars regs. PKR went into administration and 24hpoker left the network. Was a nice format also

How are the Twisters compared to stars? I'm still not 100% where to play. Decent enough traffic at low stakes?

How did you get the bonus? Got any bonus code by any chance?

Thanks a lot!

He predicted a bonus basing on previous Powerfest series, but there's no bonus for this one. Some players have been granted $22 + $5.50 Powerfest ticket bundles 'for nothing', some haven't got any Powerfest reward at all.

got a $22 ans $5.50 ticket ty party