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03-05-2017 , 05:10 PM

#5676

nomar2408

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 237

URL? Can't find it...

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03-05-2017 , 05:16 PM

#5677

Max Cut

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Originally Posted by nomar2408

URL? Can't find it...

forumserver.twoplustwo.com/168/free-software/swongsim-roi-variance-simulator-lottery-payout-sngs-2k-post-1468580

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Originally Posted by Max Cut

Download link:

www.dropbox.com/s/ukpadqy24se12th/SwongSim.exe?dl=0

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03-05-2017 , 05:25 PM

#5678

nomar2408

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Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 237

Okay - so no Mac Version? I though that is a official product somehow - need to install windows...

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03-05-2017 , 05:30 PM

#5679

ChicagoRy

Carpal \'Tunnel

Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 20,589

Max Cut is the creator. He built the software. He gives it away for free.

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03-05-2017 , 05:51 PM

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Max Cut

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No Mac version, unfortunately.

FWIW, if you're just wondering how bad EV chip break-even stretches can be, I have seen real-life results of 2000 games break-even at 70+ EV chips per game. So if your worried about a few hundred games or even a thousand, that should be pretty standard.

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03-06-2017 , 03:31 AM

#5681

Codecci

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Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 2,716

You mean their Chips Won is break-even while CEV is 70 during 2000 games?

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03-06-2017 , 07:57 AM

#5682

Max Cut

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Originally Posted by Codecci

You mean their Chips Won is break-even while CEV is 70 during 2000 games?

Sorry, that was not clear at all. Over a large sample (something like 30k games) the player was a bit above 70 EV chips per game, but had break-even stretches of 2k games

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03-06-2017 , 08:04 AM

#5683

DiSSaoR

journeyman

Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 374

so most 6x+ and some 4x mutipliers are still not tracked (no HH storage)?

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03-06-2017 , 11:57 AM

#5684

nomar2408

journeyman

Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 237

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Originally Posted by Max Cut

Sorry, that was not clear at all. Over a large sample (something like 30k games) the player was a bit above 70 EV chips per game, but had break-even stretches of 2k games

okay, thanks for sharing experice. But i would like to know how likely it is if you are overall 70 EV Chips but in between breakeven in CHIP EV - which is most likely a downswing in money.

Another question: Is there a way in pokertracker to see the ITM results based on Pricepool and the percentages of the price pools that occurred?

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03-06-2017 , 12:08 PM

#5685

squire1888

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Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,683

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Originally Posted by Max Cut

Sorry, that was not clear at all. Over a large sample (something like 30k games) the player was a bit above 70 EV chips per game, but had break-even stretches of 2k games

scary variance man

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03-06-2017 , 04:22 PM

#5686

RonaldoVamos

grinder

Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 653

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Originally Posted by Max Cut

Sorry, that was not clear at all. Over a large sample (something like 30k games) the player was a bit above 70 EV chips per game, but had break-even stretches of 2k games

I still no understand. Their break even was MONEY or was CHIP EV only 38 or whatever break even is for 2k? TY

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03-06-2017 , 04:30 PM

#5687

Max Cut

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Originally Posted by nomar2408

I don't understand the first question.

For PokerTracker, you could probably do that with a custom stat for the prize pool multiplier. (amt_prize_pool / amt_buyin_fee)

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03-06-2017 , 04:35 PM

#5688

Max Cut

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Originally Posted by RonaldoVamos

I still no understand. Their break even was MONEY or was CHIP EV only 38 or whatever break even is for 2k? TY

They were break-even in EV chips, meaning 0 EV chips earned over the break-even stretch.

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03-06-2017 , 10:04 PM

#5689

Whia

centurion

Join Date: Aug 2016 Posts: 123

What kind of chip ev/games and bankroll do you guys think I should have to make the move from 7$ to 15$?

Also I’m looking for some advanced spin material that would help move up in stakes but all I found so far is coffeeyay stuff and that’s more then 2 years old and pretty expensive. Any good streamers etc?

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03-06-2017 , 10:43 PM

#5690

xPISCIVOROUSx

adept

Join Date: Oct 2015 Posts: 752

Might be 2y old but u wont find better material like that at least not publicly that course will teach you all the fundamentals you will need in order to work on your game further as it will also give you structure.

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03-07-2017 , 12:32 PM

#5691

limp2trap

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Join Date: Dec 2016 Posts: 32

[QUOTE=Whia;51829719]What kind of chip ev/games and bankroll do you guys think I should have to make the move from 7$ to 15$?

70+ cev at 7$ move to 15s.
100 buy ins roll,when you downswing and have 100 buy ins for 7s you move down.Ofcourse if you play like 2 tables you can do with less roll lets say 70-80 but in general more buy ins the better.

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03-07-2017 , 02:18 PM

#5692

MakinItKane9

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Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 242

[QUOTE=limp2trap;51832159]

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Originally Posted by Whia

What kind of chip ev/games and bankroll do you guys think I should have to make the move from 7$ to 15$?

70+ cev at 7$ move to 15s.
100 buy ins roll,when you downswing and have 100 buy ins for 7s you move down.Ofcourse if you play like 2 tables you can do with less roll lets say 70-80 but in general more buy ins the better.

Where can i find the cEV stat or tab for PT4? trying to figure mine out at 1$ games.

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03-07-2017 , 02:57 PM

#5693

RiverPrayer

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Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 42

I have a question and appreciate if you guys shed some light on it :
I played about 700 $15 spins with 85 CEV and was happy and moved up to $30, but have been struggling in that with 45CEV over 1300 games .
Is it normal or am I missing something here ? I need to know if I was running hot at $30 or getting cold deck at $30 ? or is it just my ability in the game ?
I am using HM2 so can not post stats , as I self-calculate those.
my ITM in $15 is 38.6 and in $30 is 35.5 ,
I have been trying to find a coach buy looks like all of them either running a stable or working for them.

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03-07-2017 , 03:08 PM

#5694

RiverPrayer

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Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 42

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Originally Posted by tiote222

how can we see our all time hud stats in pt4 ?

like i want to see my stats 3way in sb btn and bb and hu sb hu bb

Is it possible to do that in HM2? if so how?

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03-07-2017 , 04:00 PM

#5695

Leandro Silva

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Join Date: Mar 2017 Posts: 16

I would be a real king if I beat ROI 13% 10k game - 7$/15$ ?

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03-07-2017 , 04:19 PM

#5696

squire1888

old hand

Join Date: Feb 2014 Posts: 1,683

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Originally Posted by RiverPrayer

I have a question and appreciate if you guys shed some light on it :

I played about 700 $15 spins with 85 CEV and was happy and moved up to $30, but have been struggling in that with 45CEV over 1300 games .

Is it normal or am I missing something here ? I need to know if I was running hot at $30 or getting cold deck at $30 ? or is it just my ability in the game ?

I am using HM2 so can not post stats , as I self-calculate those.

my ITM in $15 is 38.6 and in $30 is 35.5 ,

I have been trying to find a coach buy looks like all of them either running a stable or working for them.

to small a sample to tell, and are you calculating your EVitm or actual ITM cos both very different, 45cpg isnt the worst also when moving to a new stake new regs, new $ amounts everthing can be overwhelming, play 3-4k games before making assumptions imo glgl

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Originally Posted by Leandro Silva

I would be a real king if I beat ROI 13% 10k game - 7$/15$ ?

depends how much is @ 7s i guess, graphs for the fanz

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03-08-2017 , 03:13 PM

#5697

RiverPrayer

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Join Date: Nov 2016 Posts: 42

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Originally Posted by squire1888

I understand , that is a small sample. but what I was looking to get answer for was " is that much drop NORMAL"? or was I running good in $15s? or bad in $30s? or a little of both

It's actual ITM , HM2 doesn't have EVitm or at least I couldn't find it.
I only have to calculate CEV (All in EV/nmbr of tourneys) the rest is already there, but still PT4 is much better for spins , so I'm looking to switch .
btw Thanks for your answer, appreciate it