No, you cant chop EV i´ve been looking for an EV Debit Card for years with no luck profit chops are made based on how much you actually profited cEV is almost always the criteria SPin&Go stables use to determine whether you hsould move up or down in stakes and/or if you deserve a better profit split or better benefits overall.

^Sure
Anything more specific on how a deal looks like? Like a real player example

it varies from stable to stable and also varies depending on the player and usually those contracts re private and it cant be displayed publicly but the standards are...

1. To sign for X amount of months and/or games played
2. Profit Chop Splits %
3. Frequency of the profit chops
4. Player cant leave the stake while under makeup
5. Coaching frequency (if applies)
6. Site, Games and stakes player is allowed to play

Those are the most common and sensitive aspects of any stacking deal but i know stacking contracts that are over 10+ pages long and other that are just a couple of pages.

there are for sure some stables that do EV deals tho. Like pay you on EV minus the top multipliers, these are then split on real money if hit. If u run above EV then everything above that ev is theirs. But if u run below u get paid. It averages to 0 EV, but might be good to keep ppl motivated when they experience big swings on spins

The type of CFP deals that were ok-ish with hu hypers, really don't work with spins. Or at least from my point of view are hard to work. I have done in the past CFP for hu hypers and I have decent experience with coaching/staking, so here are some arguments against it:

You will be playing on your own bankroll, so unless you already have big enough bankroll to player 100s, we have to rely on you actually running good to build bankroll to play at the highest level you are actually skilled for. This may or may not happen and even discounting the part that with CFP you will have to give away some of your profits, you may very well still not have big enough bankroll to play as high as your skill allows.

Spins are hard (to say the least) to track, your coach should rely entirely on the information you give him or request frequent audits, huge pain in the ass.

There is insane variance in the actual money that your coach gets from that, he might spend months making a beast out of you and not get anything. Not to mention that there is the additional concern of having to chase people when they bink a big multi and decide to take off. Nothing against you in particular, but money bring out bad stuff even from good people.

Unless you take for a coach someone playing 15s or so, I doubt you can get anyone to agree on CFP. You don't like stables, which is fine, but in this case I'd just prepare few thousand dollars for coaching and go from there.

What is CFP

Coaching For Profit

Thankssss!! Was ???

Not that hard really you can export all the data from the audit report into a excel sheet and once its there u can pretty much filter and summarize everything pretty fast. You can also contact the owner of Tournament Parser and workout on a bulk deal to use with several players (if you´re a backer) and its even more easy to keep track of everything.

Hehe, much debate going on here. Everything is all about profits these days x)

Good point, I did not realize this, but we used to have a good deal of guys that really played almost no volume but were super into studying the game and talking theory. I don't really see that much anymore.

Yep forum is muuuch quieter nowadays.

Hello players, i have a question for you all. I was playing a 7$ S&G a couple of minutes ago when the following "issue" appeared:

Grinded the villain down to 1350/150 and went all-in with 86% on the turn. Suddenly my screen froze and pokerstars crashed. When i logged in after 3 minutes my balance was credited by S&G BI and there was a message at S&G section: currently not available because we're working on the servers.

After this "happening", i had my lobby open for a while, and it keeps refreshing, but my internet connection is full quality, so i don't think it's my fault.

The tourney was worth 28$ and i obviously want to know the results, because i think it's very strange that no screen popped up after i came back. It could've been possible that villain won the hand on the river, and ****ed me while sitting out or something. But what is the chance?

The screen froze at the last hand, while all in preflop and on the turn my % was 88%. So the chance is good i won the tourney for 28$. I have mailed PS, but maybe you guys can tell me if there's a section where you can check history of spins etc?

After all, i'm not super angry about the 28$, however 28 dollar is a nice increasement for a beginning "bank-roll-building" player who's rolled to play the 3$ games.

I just don't think that these issues can't happen at a "real money" site.. If they could tell/show me i lost the tourney, it would feel better if they could be transparant about it.

You can request the full HH and tournament summary from within PS client, if you don't have the tournament ID you can request "last 200 hands" which should cover it.

I did track my audit, and unfortunately, it says i lost it..
So i'm afraid the monkey catched a 10 or a 3 on the river and grinded my sitting-out account off while Pokerstars kicked me out..

On to the next one..

Mail them again requesting refund, if you haven't done so and lost your chips sitting out.

+1. I'd go ahead and ask for your chip equity in the tournament. Be fine with just a refund of your BI, but given that it sounds like it was some PS issue and not on your end you might be able to get more than a refund. Pretty unlikely, but hey it's a free-roll. you're 99% to get at least your BI back.

I'm going to try it.. I Didn't received an answer from my e-mail yesterday..
Thanks for input, i almost let it go, but the chance is that it's definitely +EV how you guys think about it.

I am part of a spin n go stable.
My deal looks like this.
1.A player must stay with the time for at least 2 years or until he has played 50k spins.
2.Share profiting is 50-50 including the starcoins.
3.Every player must follow the preflop charts and the post flop lines of the team verbatim.
4.Every player must take part in the group and private coachings whenever these are scheduled.
5.Every player must put in more thatn 30 hours per week playing and studying combined.
6.Whoever joins the team,must have a decent pc setup especially when he clims the stakes(2 monitors,6+GB ram,i5+ etc).
7.If a player busts the refills are infinite and the sum of money that the stable has given to a player goes to his make up.

I think it's a fair deal.

Is using one's brain allowed or not?

Apparently (just a guess), some of the possible spots aren't covered by the postflop guide (otherwise there would be no need for coaching), and in such spots, players have no choice but to use their own brains.

Jesus Christ, 50K games

Why are people joining these stables? Is coaching that often and good that it's worth it? It's not that difficult to get access to good study material and you could probably get staked on wayyy better terms in case you're broke.

A reg plays 50K games in less time than 2 years anyway - within about 1 year if 4-tabling or 16 months if 3-tabling.

Wow, no offense, but this deal is far worse than what I'd like