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09-15-2016 , 11:26 PM
The tracking EV vs Regs/Fish sounds really good but pretty sure you can do that via filters on PT4 (so long as you know most of the regs and group everyone else as fish).

A cheaper easy street is pretty desirable, though I think they priced it perfectly. Useful product with no competition and still cheap enough most full time grinders don't sweat it. Obviously if you could match its features for a lower cost you'd get a lot of sales.
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09-16-2016 , 01:29 AM
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Obviously if you could match its features for a lower cost you'd get a lot of sales.

Or easy street would then lower their price in response
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09-16-2016 , 01:57 AM
Or even PokerTracker would eventually add hotkeys themselves rendering it superfluous.

I'd be interested to see your source code - but not $2.5k interested. I've made an EasyStreet alternative myself, and I'm certainly curious to see how other people handle the foibles of PT4's interface.

On this particular utility I doubt you'll find much traction. As mentioned, EasyStreet is cheap already. I'd think most stables either don't mind the price / functionality, or have their own alternative already. I think several other places had one too - As said, I've made one (for a stable). Sngmasters hud has one? and spinbeasts hud perhaps.
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09-16-2016 , 07:58 AM
Which site has better lottery sngs for grinding- americas cardroom or fish party on microgaming? Cant find much info on either sites traffic. Tilting towards americas cardroom because of their sit and crush promotion.
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09-16-2016 , 08:14 AM
Now no spinalyzer website who do people think best regulor players are if guessing
$15 & $30? Sorry wide question.
Thanks for all wiseness in this thread.
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09-16-2016 , 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Nefirmative
The tracking EV vs Regs/Fish sounds really good but pretty sure you can do that via filters on PT4 (so long as you know most of the regs and group everyone else as fish).
I've heard that you can do it with filters but I think you need to make the reg list manually while a program could create it from your stars notes or PT4 notes automatically and format it in such a way that creating the filter is easier.

I did not post here to sell my swapper, I'm not even sure that I can since it would compete with my own stable's current offer. So I had no intention to find a buyer here.

I was just putting it out there that people need tools and there are programmers who can make those tools, think about how useful SwongSim is and how the community has benefited. Now if the community actually put together some money we could create other tools as needs arise.
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09-16-2016 , 02:49 PM
Fwiw, the team behind EasyStreet has just sent a mass email introducing a version tailored to Spins that it claims to be more reliable. So it makes sense to put off the development of a competing switcher until players test and give feedback on that new product. (I'm not going to test it, of course.)

Last edited by coon74; 09-16-2016 at 03:12 PM. Reason: insignificant correction
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09-16-2016 , 03:22 PM
All the power to you if you can put something like this together. Organization sounds difficult. Getting paid is great, heh, but I guess I have a hard time seeing how it works out smoothly in practice (not that my lack of imagination means much in this case).
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09-16-2016 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by coon74
Fwiw, the team behind EasyStreet has just sent a mass email introducing a version tailored to Spins that it claims to be more reliable. So it makes sense to put off the development of a competing switcher until players test and give feedback on that new product. (I'm not going to test it, of course.)
The following is included in their email:

"EasyStreet’s blind level timer will allow you to be the first button of a new blind level more frequently. Effectively lowering the blinds for you, this translates directly to more chips per game."

What does this mean? I don't like the idea of other guys getting a button advantage against me through the use of software.

Last edited by RedHot; 09-16-2016 at 06:34 PM. Reason: re-worded
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09-16-2016 , 06:53 PM
You may try petitioning Stars to ban software that shows blind level timings with a one-second precision... I don't see how the ban can be enforced, though. After all, a player can look at the Windows system clock to determine the second when the blinds are going to increase and to stall until that second when he's in the SB (and going to be the button in the next hand).

That's exactly why Stars have made the switch from blind level lengths expressed in minutes to levels lasting for a fixed number of hands in hyper STTs. However, this switch is unlikely to happen in Spins because their marketing revolves around getting rich in only a few minutes.

Another (partial) solution is to add antes into the game, increasing the starting stacks to 600-750 to compensate for that.

Yet another, complete, solution is to show the precise number of minutes and seconds left till a blind increase in the client itself. It's not that hard for programmers - after all, 888 does this, levelling the playing field.

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09-16-2016 , 07:02 PM
Exactly as it sounds - if you know it will be 34 seconds until the blinds go up and you are BB, you can act fast to hopefully get your SB posted before the increase. If you're SB, you can stall to make sure you aren't the first to get hit by the increased BB.

Not a very big deal in spins, was prob a huge advantage in the old hyper sats
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09-17-2016 , 01:28 AM
v fish, v regs, CPG heads up and 3handed cEV would be the nut if some1 could make filters since spinlyzer just flat out over it now :/

spin beasts has hud swapper fwiw no idea if cheaper than easy street tho as havent used it
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09-17-2016 , 01:50 PM
Speaking of using PT4/HM2 filters, an easy but useful bit of analysis that comes to mind is the comparison of chip EVs on (say, ET) Mondays-Thursdays vs Fridays-Sundays. I'm curious as to how big the difference is but I'm not sure if my tiny samples would allow for a convincing conclusion, especially because my ABI is much lower on weekdays than at weekends and so the differences between the fields of different stakes (and sites) add some statistical noise (or reduce the eligible sample sizes greatly). I suspect the difference is 10 chips or even more in favour of weekends.

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09-17-2016 , 01:59 PM
I've wondered about that sort of difference for wpn jackpots during happy hours vs unhappy hours. If I recall correctly, happy can add add as much as ~18 chips per game, depending on how much value you get from snc.
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09-21-2016 , 03:59 PM
This doesn't look too bad. Pokerstars being kind!

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09-28-2016 , 05:37 AM
Thinking about playing some spins while waiting for action. Is PS the place to be? Will only play for lulz = 7-15 $/low volume and no off-table work.
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09-28-2016 , 07:38 AM
I just casually play spins, but man there are some swings!
Running 50k chips under EV in 275 games this month.
Can`t imagine what some of the regs go through
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09-28-2016 , 10:58 AM
In terms of standard deviations that should be nearly impossible
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09-28-2016 , 11:27 AM
Took a closer look. 277 Spins, 45 under.

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09-28-2016 , 04:06 PM
On the plus side, that's a really good EV chips per game at those stakes.

Does the graph only include spins? Is it PS games?
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09-28-2016 , 04:46 PM
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On the plus side, that's a really good EV chips per game at those stakes.

Does the graph only include spins? Is it PS games?
how can u tell stakes
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09-28-2016 , 04:52 PM
^ A reg can hardly lose over $7K (see the filter line above the graph) within 277 games unless s/he plays at the $60+ / €50+ level.
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09-28-2016 , 05:29 PM
^ That. Besides, 137 EV chips per game would qualify as really good at any stake.
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09-28-2016 , 06:09 PM
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^ A reg can hardly lose over $7K (see the filter line above the graph) within 277 games unless s/he plays at the $60+ / €50+ level.
This is all chips not dollars, I think.
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09-28-2016 , 06:37 PM
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This is all chips not dollars, I think.
Ah yeah, that's right, my bad. Good old HM with the $ chips.
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