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03-10-2016 , 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by SANTACE
Somebody do the simulation on swongsim? can put the results?
thanks
60k games at 70 ev chips/game (38% win rate) with 30% rakeback.

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Effective	Specified		Simulation
Place	Finish Distribution	Finish Distribution
1	0.019%          	0.01902%
2	0.95%          	        0.949934%
3	5.149%          	5.148485%
4	31.882%          	31.880374%
ITM	38%          	        37.997813%
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25000  simulations of  60000  games
Expected ROI (with rakeback/bonus/award): 8.96%  ($53760)
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99% 	had ROI below   22.16%	($132940)
97.5% 	had ROI below   19.67%	($118000)
95% 	had ROI below   17.72%	($106300)
90% 	had ROI below   15.71%	($94260)
80% 	had ROI below   13.20%	($79200)
70% 	had ROI below   11.44%	($68660)
60% 	had ROI below   10.00%	($60000)
50% 	had ROI below   8.65%	($51920)
40% 	had ROI below   7.40%	($44380)
30% 	had ROI below   6.08%	($36460)
20% 	had ROI below   4.59%	($27560)
10% 	had ROI below   2.56%	($15380)
  5% 	had ROI below   1.00%	($6020)
  2.5% 	had ROI below   -0.41%	($-2480)
  1% 	had ROI below   -1.86%	($-11140)
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  99% 	had a downswing greater than   $6440
  97.5% had a downswing greater than   $7060
  95% 	had a downswing greater than   $7636
  90% 	had a downswing greater than   $8400
  80% 	had a downswing greater than   $9522
  70% 	had a downswing greater than   $10486
  60% 	had a downswing greater than   $11476
  50% 	had a downswing greater than   $12512
  40% 	had a downswing greater than   $13686
  30% 	had a downswing greater than   $15070
  20% 	had a downswing greater than   $16954
  10% 	had a downswing greater than   $20036
  5% 	had a downswing greater than   $23042
  2.5% 	had a downswing greater than   $25996
  1% 	had a downswing greater than   $29902
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  99% 	had a low point lower than   $-60
  97.5% had a low point lower than   $-150
  95% 	had a low point lower than   $-298
  90% 	had a low point lower than   $-590
  80% 	had a low point lower than   $-1218
  70% 	had a low point lower than   $-1924
  60% 	had a low point lower than   $-2734
  50% 	had a low point lower than   $-3710
  40% 	had a low point lower than   $-4902
  30% 	had a low point lower than   $-6442
  20% 	had a low point lower than   $-8606
  10% 	had a low point lower than   $-12326
  5% 	had a low point lower than   $-15862
  2.5% 	had a low point lower than   $-19194
  1% 	had a low point lower than   $-23678
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  99% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   7587 games
  97.5% had a breakeven stretch longer than   8313 games
  95% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   9011 games
  90% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   10141 games
  80% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   12576 games
  70% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   15012 games
  60% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   17069 games
  50% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   18905 games
  40% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   21071 games
  30% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   24629 games
  20% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   29062 games
  10% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   36493 games
  5% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   43603 games
  2.5% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   49989 games
  1% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   56156 games
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In buyins:

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Effective	Specified		Simulation
Place	Finish Distribution	Finish Distribution
1	0.019%          	0.019035%
2	0.95%          		0.950115%
3	5.149%          	5.149282%
4	31.882%          	31.881099%
ITM	38%          		37.999531%
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25000  simulations of  60000  games
Expected ROI (with rakeback/bonus/award): 8.96%  (5376 Buyins)
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99% 	had ROI below   21.64%	(12986 Buyins)
97.5% 	had ROI below   19.44%	(11664 Buyins)
95% 	had ROI below   17.62%	(10570 Buyins)
90% 	had ROI below   15.66%	(9394 Buyins)
80% 	had ROI below   13.20%	(7920 Buyins)
70% 	had ROI below   11.50%	(6898 Buyins)
60% 	had ROI below   10.07%	(6042 Buyins)
50% 	had ROI below   8.74%	(5244 Buyins)
40% 	had ROI below   7.44%	(4464 Buyins)
30% 	had ROI below   6.12%	(3672 Buyins)
20% 	had ROI below   4.63%	(2776 Buyins)
10% 	had ROI below   2.58%	(1548 Buyins)
  5% 	had ROI below   1.05%	(632 Buyins)
  2.5% 	had ROI below   -0.27%	(-160 Buyins)
  1% 	had ROI below   -1.64%	(-986 Buyins)
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  99% 	had a downswing greater than   647 buyins
  97.5% had a downswing greater than   707 buyins
  95% 	had a downswing greater than   763 buyins
  90% 	had a downswing greater than   840 buyins
  80% 	had a downswing greater than   953 buyins
  70% 	had a downswing greater than   1054 buyins
  60% 	had a downswing greater than   1147 buyins
  50% 	had a downswing greater than   1248 buyins
  40% 	had a downswing greater than   1360 buyins
  30% 	had a downswing greater than   1498 buyins
  20% 	had a downswing greater than   1687 buyins
  10% 	had a downswing greater than   1987 buyins
  5% 	had a downswing greater than   2281 buyins
  2.5% 	had a downswing greater than   2555 buyins
  1% 	had a downswing greater than   2918 buyins
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  99% 	had a low point lower than   -5 buyins
  97.5% had a low point lower than   -14 buyins
  95% 	had a low point lower than   -29 buyins
  90% 	had a low point lower than   -58 buyins
  80% 	had a low point lower than   -122 buyins
  70% 	had a low point lower than   -195 buyins
  60% 	had a low point lower than   -277 buyins
  50% 	had a low point lower than   -376 buyins
  40% 	had a low point lower than   -491 buyins
  30% 	had a low point lower than   -648 buyins
  20% 	had a low point lower than   -854 buyins
  10% 	had a low point lower than   -1211 buyins
  5% 	had a low point lower than   -1566 buyins
  2.5% 	had a low point lower than   -1914 buyins
  1% 	had a low point lower than   -2366 buyins
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  99% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   7611 games
  97.5% had a breakeven stretch longer than   8306 games
  95% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   9058 games
  90% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   10199 games
  80% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   12631 games
  70% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   14988 games
  60% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   16986 games
  50% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   18865 games
  40% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   21109 games
  30% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   24655 games
  20% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   28995 games
  10% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   36256 games
  5% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   42908 games
  2.5% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   49687 games
  1% 	had a breakeven stretch longer than   56005 games
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** Official Spin and Go's Discussion Thread ** Quote
03-11-2016 , 09:35 AM
spin4play thread is on frontpage of husng.com now since twoplustwo doesnt allow him to have his thread, for any bettors who want to rail it
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03-11-2016 , 09:41 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Max Cut
60k games at 70 ev chips/game (38% win rate) with 30% rakeback.
Heh, I'd be rolled for this if they paid the hotel expenditure into my account too (at least half of which would be pocketed) and I could get a Schengen visa in time.
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03-12-2016 , 09:05 AM
Hey guys what is the standard deviation in spins? Looking to play with new chip ev feature in SwongSim.
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03-12-2016 , 10:14 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by CiraLoC
Hey guys what is the standard deviation in spins? Looking to play with new chip ev feature in SwongSim.
I haven't seen many reported, but the few I have heard of are in the 350-450 range.

When using the EV Chip mode, be sure to note that the simulations are not perfect because they do not include the skew seen in real EV chip results (all-in equity).
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03-13-2016 , 02:26 PM
Hey **** I'm back again to ask you if you had a fix for the prizepools on iPoker in PT4?
PT want a report so that they can look at the problem but it means finding the particular tournaments that I know were incorrectly reported. This means finding a few among thousands though...

Also I wondered what you meant by the wheel sound not occurring in the new iPOKER client? Still got the sound but figured it must be easy enough to disable in properties?

Cheers if you can help at all
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03-13-2016 , 04:01 PM
Just noticed this in the software forum and I recall someone asking about spin auto-registration.

forumserver.twoplustwo.com/167/commercial-software/siq-spinreg-1595414/
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03-13-2016 , 06:04 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown Gord
Hey **** I'm back again to ask you if you had a fix for the prizepools on iPoker in PT4?
PT want a report so that they can look at the problem but it means finding the particular tournaments that I know were incorrectly reported. This means finding a few among thousands though...
It's easy to find tourneys where your winnings are recorded as a non-integer number of buy-ins if you go to the tournament results report and sort by the 'My C Won' column, then tell Windows Explorer to search for the numbers of those tournaments in the Processed folder to locate the relevant history files. Or did you mean something else?

Quote:
Originally Posted by Brown Gord
Also I wondered what you meant by the wheel sound not occurring in the new iPOKER client? Still got the sound but figured it must be easy enough to disable in properties?
I have all sounds turned on but all animations turned off, maybe the latter setting also eliminates the Twister wheel sound as a by-product, otherwise it might be a skin-specific issue, but neither of the skins where I've tested the beta client (WH, Titan, Coral) has the wheel sound with the above settings.

Edit: I've just sat down at two €1 Twisters to test it and no, animation settings don't influence the sounds at all... I want 10 minutes of my life back

Last edited by coon74; 03-13-2016 at 06:09 PM.
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03-14-2016 , 06:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Griesball
Maybe this is better off in the software forum, but does anyone have an idea why Poker Tracker 4 shows a weird prize pool of 141% of the normal amount for some 2x tourneys?
Have you (or anyone else) found a way to fix this problem?
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03-14-2016 , 06:42 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by yop
Have you (or anyone else) found a way to fix this problem?
got to get hands from disk in ur PT4

copy and paste the opened pokerstars file location for tournament sumarys have them saved for 100 days or so

copy paste that into the bit that comes up when u get hands from disk

click the file with ur SN and open

will import all spin summerys

refresh and all prizepools should be the norm
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03-15-2016 , 02:12 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by squire1888
got to get hands from disk in ur PT4

copy and paste the opened pokerstars file location for tournament sumarys have them saved for 100 days or so

copy paste that into the bit that comes up when u get hands from disk

click the file with ur SN and open

will import all spin summerys

refresh and all prizepools should be the norm
Thanks
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03-16-2016 , 12:26 AM
Just started to play some Spin & Gos. Clocked a few hundreds. So far:

ITM on the x2 multiplier: 43%
ITM on higher multiplers: 21%

And I got 15% fewer x4 than expected.

Oh this is going very very well. How did I not see this coming!
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03-16-2016 , 02:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BlunderCity
Just started to play some Spin & Gos. Clocked a few hundreds. So far:

ITM on the x2 multiplier: 43%
ITM on higher multiplers: 21%

And I got 15% fewer x4 than expected.

Oh this is going very very well. How did I not see this coming!
Depending on how confident you are of your mental game, you might want to modify your table look, so you don't see what the multiplier is. There is a good post on this on front page right now
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03-16-2016 , 04:41 PM
PSNJ: in soft launch there is $1, $2, $5, $10, all at 7% rake.
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03-16-2016 , 05:01 PM
The 7% rake on $10s looks a bit harsh even considering the 15% tax on gambling operator revenue.
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03-17-2016 , 11:08 PM
Hey guys I am preparing interviews for husng.com Would be more than glad to introduce all SPINs personalities who plays 30s and higher. Lets unite our community and make everyone more aware of each other!
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03-18-2016 , 02:07 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Arksos
Depending on how confident you are of your mental game, you might want to modify your table look, so you don't see what the multiplier is. There is a good post on this on front page right now
Well things have turned around pretty quickly. I am now with a 4.5% ROI with 519 games.

The ITM on my x4 and higher multiplier games is now 34.69%, bottoming at 16% a couple of days ago.
The ITM on my x2 has gone down to 42.37% peaking at 47% two days ago.
Overall, the ITM is roughly unchanged at 40.57%

Obviously, I'm still at a sample size where these ITM numbers can change a bit but this looks promising.

I'm currently trying to evaluate this format by the playing the lowest stake. My original goal was to play 2000 games and see if there is any future for me in those games. So I'm a quarter or so into it.

Took me 7 days to clock that volume because I'm busy with other games most of the time but ideally I wanna be able to play 200 of these a day with the view of clocking 50.000 games per year.

Let's see if those numbers can hold for the next few thousand games.
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03-18-2016 , 02:48 PM
(3x.30x100)+15=$105 raked for every player seated in the sunday million via sunday million spin and gos

stars, you can as always, go **** yourself
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03-19-2016 , 05:05 AM
It looks as though I know what to play this weekend
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03-19-2016 , 07:31 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by 22riverrat22
(3x.30x100)+15=$105 raked for every player seated in the sunday million via sunday million spin and gos
Not entirely sure, but if it is 30c rake x 3 players x 100 games per sunday million game = $90

Out of the "jackpot" game I thought only one got a ticket, so does the $90 need to multiplied by 3 again then add the $15?
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03-19-2016 , 07:56 AM
Nah. For every 300 entries (100 games) 1 player gets in. 300*.3 = $90 raked per entry. Then add the $15.
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03-19-2016 , 10:10 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bluffyou
Nah. For every 300 entries (100 games) 1 player gets in. 300*.3 = $90 raked per entry. Then add the $15.
ah yeah. that makes sense
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03-19-2016 , 11:45 AM
You have all failed to discount the 'alternative' rake that Stars will miss out on because their players will enter the SM spins instead of their usual games. I mean, it's less than the rake that people will pay in the SM spins, but it still has to be discounted.
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03-19-2016 , 02:17 PM
what are the numbers on that $5 spin to the SM ?
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03-19-2016 , 02:36 PM
http://www.pokerstars.com/poker/prom...n-spin-and-go/

43x* 10,000 in 1,000,000
6x 28,943 in 1,000,000
4x 132,114 in 1,000,000
2x 828,943 in 1,000,000

* a ticket valid for any SM until year 2035, not exchangeable for T$

7% rake
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