Not only do we need 300-500 buyins to play this piece of **** of a game, some of the chosen few will also need cash to support themselfs for 18 months while on that 40k games BE stretch. Meanwhile other guys are running thousands of buyins above EV accompanied in that by some of the worst fish.

Cant really rely on RB either since format is not masstable friendly and BR requirements make this an option exclusive to overrolled players.

I understand that PS is all about the money now.. "We are poker" - No you are not, and the introduction of these games makes it clear that you people are just a publicly traded bussiness offering addictive gambling games while marketing it as pure poker/game of skill.

I dont have a problem with turning PS into more of a gambling site, but dont overrake a high variance format and say we are a poker site.

The format is not a problem, i think most people love the format actually.
I understand that there is little point in making a new, fun format if its not going to increase profits so you overrake the **** out of it, thinking well some regs will make money anyway, we just ignore the unlucky few.
I dont think you will have the support of the community on this one and the consequence will be unfortunate for both the bussiness and the players.

I belive we are dealing with a bunch of poker noobs in charge here.

I'm doing pretty well in these but don't really like the idea of sharing profits :S Might have to change games

Sharing profits is just a way to even out the variance. Unless there is collusion it cant affect you. However it will make it somewhat of a necessity for profitable grinders to be allied with a bunch of people and form "teams".

i will be curious about what you say in a year, pretty well rly means **** after 1 week

The same. I've played >3k spin&go's+FT Jackpot SNG's...check my PG&C

time to start a chinese sweatshop for those with 50 players with the same bankroll sharing everything from bankroll to handhistories. that seems to be the only +EV strat

Why you need chinese for it if you have a big staking stable ....

100k games current structure:




100k games with 100x top tier:




And another approach to reducing swings. Something like this preserves the marketing wow-factor, but does little to address the other concerns listed.
100k games with 2.5x bottom tier, 800/100/100 top tier rather than 1000/100/100 (similar for 2nd and 3rd tier), and smaller high-tier frequencies:

awww, you think 3k games is a big number, so cute.

When it's 50k games, come back.

he luckboxed a 15K sng so he is a pro in that format

The 2.5 tier is abit too swingy imo but very close

I agree with this. That's why the play is so horrific in the 2x prizepools, fish just give up and shove any 2 because they are pissed that they didn't bink the lottery.

I know the variance in Spin and Gos isn't ideal for a broke grinder, but I've changed forms of SNGs at several times in my poker career to chase the fish. This format will attract fish better than any other imo because of the lure of the bink.

40 K games in 18 months? That's playing like 2 hours a day if you 5 table like me. Gotta work on that work ethic.

As far as "overrolled" players, I still think the variance in these is comparable to large field MTTs, so you your conceptions about BRM for HUSNGs are irrelevant.

who care if it attract fish if you cant make money in 2 years because of variance?

After running the simulation using the program that someone else generously made ITT (hat tip to that guy, it's much appreciated), then after 100 K games (I think that number can be achieved by the end of next year if you work hard) with a 36% win rate with 40% RB in the $15s, then the bottom 1% result is 33 K profit. 99% outcome is 140 K, average outcome is 76 K.

So there is a lot of variance, just like there is in MTTs. But it's inaccurate to say that you "can't make money" over the course of two years.

Can a 36% win rate be achieved long-term? I think it definitely can. Can I obtain it? I don't know, I may have things to work on, but I'm not going to say it is Stars' fault that my win rate isn't good enough.

Obv I'm a noob to this sub-forum, but if I had to guess the majority of people complaining about the variance are jaded HUSNG grinders who have a really pretty graph because the variance in their games is so low. Well, good for you, but that probably isn't ideal to sustain the poker ecosystem. The rake is NOT ridiculous, the variance isn't as bad as it could be (imagine jackpot MTTs??)

I think you underestimate the time it will take you to play 100K games and overestimate how good of a sample it is with the payout on thoses , they take longer than husng but you can play more tables i doubt people will play much more of thoses. 5K hyper husng in one month is a pretty decent amount.

Make a group, add up everyone's cashes every week, add up everyone's chip EV and split the total cashes according to everyone's share of the total chips won. Problem solved. Even a losing reg could join the group and it would still reduce everyone's variance without hurting anyone's ROIs.

seems easy on paper , much less when the reg that binked a 1K buy sng stop sharing and run away

yep, that's basically the issue.

one of them
While i can see some backer with a decent stable beeing able to do that kind of stuff , for individual regs that doesnt seems doable without a ton of drama and time wasted

anybody else been 9tabling them?

I think a middle ground could potentially be found here where the essence of the huge jackpot gets preserved while at the same time the variance is lessened. I seriously doubt a recreational player will see much of a difference between a 30k first prize and a 20k first prize. They are both huge prizes in comparison to the $30 they put in and are both "life changing". Those players would also get a bit more back when they don't hit those high jackpots and that would help them stay in the game longer. If you and I are unhappy with playing 100 of them only to hit 2x multiplier then the recreational is likely to be even more pissed. I also agree with whoever said that if a recreational player wins $30k they will likely cash out a lot of that money and you don't really end up with these high bankroll recreational players.

Dear god.....

lmao

the rake is ridiculous that is a fact pgh