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08-13-2015 , 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Kyanto
Well my overall chipev is pretty bad , that's the problem

So I'm trying to find my leaks and losing 34 chips/game in non-showdown 3-handed pots stroke me as a lot. I was just wondering how others do in comparison to get an idea.

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I'm making 93 chips/game, with 22/game coming from non-showdown.
I lose 7 chips/game in non-showdown pots 3 handed.

Literally no idea how typical that redline is but now you have a sample of 2.
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08-13-2015 , 12:03 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Lp9NXSb.png
i think you can lose on non-SD and still do fairly avg for the stakes.
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08-13-2015 , 12:28 PM


Not filtered for 3h but yeah. Most people have downward redline.
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08-13-2015 , 04:18 PM
Spinwiz is unbearably slow at the 15s.
It takes about 7min on average to get a table.
Will there be a fix?
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08-13-2015 , 04:23 PM
Since yesterday update is taking less than 1 minute get a lobby with 20 players in queque without sitting anyone
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08-13-2015 , 04:49 PM
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Originally Posted by alexrjl
I'm making 93 chips/game, with 22/game coming from non-showdown.
I lose 7 chips/game in non-showdown pots 3 handed.

Literally no idea how typical that redline is but now you have a sample of 2.
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Originally Posted by dybboss;
Lp9NXSb.pngi think you can lose on non-SD and still do fairly avg for the stakes.
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Originally Posted by Nefirmative
Not filtered for 3h but yeah. Most people have downward redline.
Cheers guys, seems my red line is quite okayish. Still gonna do some min-maxing though
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08-13-2015 , 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by vallepoker88
Since yesterday update is taking less than 1 minute get a lobby with 20 players in queque without sitting anyone
It's not really working for me. Still the same pace as 3 days ago
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08-13-2015 , 04:58 PM
If I am pulling 37cEV/game at 15s over 5k game am I better off getting coaching or getting staked where a coaching program is available.
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08-13-2015 , 05:13 PM
Being coached definitely makes sense, but I think it's more +EV to play 7s and pay for the coaching instead of being staked because 7s are softer than 15s.

In general, staking exists for situations when a previously successful player has lost a big part of the roll because of force majeure events. Otherwise the player can grind it up on their own.

Last edited by coon74; 08-13-2015 at 05:19 PM.
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08-13-2015 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Kyanto
It's not really working for me. Still the same pace as 3 days ago
Try to update manually from spinwiz page
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08-13-2015 , 07:05 PM
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Originally Posted by yAAwn
If I am pulling 37cEV/game at 15s over 5k game am I better off getting coaching or getting staked where a coaching program is available.
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Originally Posted by coon74
Being coached definitely makes sense, but I think it's more +EV to play 7s and pay for the coaching instead of being staked because 7s are softer than 15s.

In general, staking exists for situations when a previously successful player has lost a big part of the roll because of force majeure events. Otherwise the player can grind it up on their own.
Really depends. It can be so hard for the player to tell too.

But from my perspective, I've seen several incredible values where some good players/coaches get into staking and give away way too much value. I've also seen the opposite, where some good players offer very little to their horses except a name.
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08-13-2015 , 07:17 PM
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08-13-2015 , 08:27 PM
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Originally Posted by yAAwn
If I am pulling 37cEV/game at 15s over 5k game am I better off getting coaching or getting staked where a coaching program is available.
a)good 1on1 coach is expensive and not every expensive coach is good - for sure in spins
b)think of it this way, if you play on your own and get on bad side of variance and lose $ while having good chipev, what do you do? well if you have decent roll you try to hang on, if not, you move down - despite playing good! So you pay for coaching, get better 'ev' and now have to move down..
Normal stable will move you UP so you can make more sklansky bucks.
also with 37cev/game, getting it up even to 55 ~triples your hourly, so even after paying your cut you will earn more
In general when you join longterm stable you cant think like 'ohh i pay them so much' but think like 'do i make more now and do i have better perspectives than i would without them'
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08-13-2015 , 09:07 PM
The thing is that moving down is not so bad, especially in his case when he has merely 35 chips/game at the 15s but could be making 45 (50?) at the 7s with the same effort and the drop in the $/tourney profit wouldn't be so big ($0.60 -> $0.40 post-rakeback). Due to the smaller risk, he could also put some of his winnings away for coaching. If he saves up $0.10 per tourney (the rest going to fund the life expenses and increase the bankroll), then a week of play will pay for that week's hour of coaching.

Surely, it depends a lot on the player's personality. I've been told that 80% of players feel less psychological pressure when on a stake; most players like to engage in study groups anyway; I for one am in the other 20% who hate peer and 'boss' (staker) pressure and being on a team.

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08-13-2015 , 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by dybboss
also with 37cev/game, getting it up even to 55 ~triples your hourly, so even after paying your cut you will earn more
How did you calculate that? With SN rakeback, 37 cev is 4.5% ROI after rakeback, 55 cev is 8% ROI after rakeback, so more like ~doubles. Which, after paying your cut, makes no difference. On the upside there are better perspective throughout the stake and after it finishes. On the downside spins (in today's state) might not last as long as your stake deal and your hands are tied.
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08-14-2015 , 05:37 AM
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Originally Posted by dybboss
a)good 1on1 coach is expensive and not every expensive coach is good - for sure in spins
b)think of it this way, if you play on your own and get on bad side of variance and lose $ while having good chipev, what do you do? well if you have decent roll you try to hang on, if not, you move down - despite playing good! So you pay for coaching, get better 'ev' and now have to move down..
Normal stable will move you UP so you can make more sklansky bucks.
also with 37cev/game, getting it up even to 55 ~triples your hourly, so even after paying your cut you will earn more
In general when you join longterm stable you cant think like 'ohh i pay them so much' but think like 'do i make more now and do i have better perspectives than i would without them'
Good post
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08-14-2015 , 05:42 AM
From the latest quartely report of amaya:

"Thanks to Spin N’ Go, the total number of tournaments increased 90% from 2014. Tournaments now generate the majority of revenue for PokerStars."

lulz
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08-14-2015 , 05:58 AM
Could someone recommend HM HUD configuration for Spin and go?
Free option would be the best or a least cheap (I'm low stake player).

Thanks.
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08-14-2015 , 08:17 AM
I tried updating SpinWiz manually. Didn't help.
How can there be a situtation where 2 players with the same conditions have a 7x difference in their waiting time?
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08-14-2015 , 09:49 AM
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Originally Posted by ready2berich
Could someone recommend HM HUD configuration for Spin and go?
Free option would be the best or a least cheap (I'm low stake player).

Thanks.
SpinHUD from HUSNG.com is the one I use and about the only one I know of for HM2. Whether it is cheap it's up to you to decide (and you need NC Premium as well), but it is worth its price and you will probably not find anything cheaper/free as any worhtwhile SpinHUD needs NC, and hence requires some developer-level effort. Unlikely to have been done by someone for free.
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08-15-2015 , 04:31 AM
Does spinlyzer track 100% games? In other words, is it 100% accurate?
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08-15-2015 , 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Atlantis1
Does spinlyzer track 100% games? In other words, is it 100% accurate?
It's at least close to completely accurate, like sharkscope.
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08-15-2015 , 06:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Nefirmative
It's at least close to completely accurate, like sharkscope.
Spinlyzer is 90 - 95% and sharkskope is only about 45-50%
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08-15-2015 , 08:41 AM
I guess it is because there's at least 1 (often 2-3) observer(s) in every single $7 game that I play , and I'm hidden from search and sometimes both my opponents are...

Can it be happening because that site might have infested my computer with spy malware when I visited it (without signing up)? Are there any suggestions on how to find it out easily?

Edit: I guess Stars just need to block Spins from the 'Find a tournament by number' feature, but they're not giving a damn... it's too easy to search for all tourneys one by one automatically and then close all those that turn out to be non-Spins.

Last edited by coon74; 08-15-2015 at 08:58 AM.
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08-15-2015 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by coon74
I guess it is because there's at least 1 (often 2-3) observer(s) in every single $7 game that I play , and I'm hidden from search and sometimes both my opponents are...

Can it be happening because that site might have infested my computer with spy malware when I visited it (without signing up)?
LOL conspiracy theories. The sites bots are most likely just using the find tournament by ID function, trying all the IDs within the current range. Long haven't I heard such a silly idea
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