Pretty hilarious some of you guys think the results are totally standard.

In a couple years you will be posting how projecting 20k+ a year "seems nice to me".

You do not want to look at leaderboards to find the biggest winners? So you expect someone with a couple thousand games is consistently making more than someone playing 19,000 games?

How do they play 5k games a month at 60's, when they have to wait 20-30 mins to be seated every time, even with sit lists?
Of course you can add games manually, or sit 95% of SpinWiz users, but there is a point where SpinWiz does not worth it i guess.

That's so far from what I'm saying that it almost seems like you're disagreeing for the sake of it. The results are what they are, a lot of people are making a lot of money. How is having a bad year in spins any different than having a bad year in MTTs for example?

Again, that's a ridiculous example and not at all what is being said. Someone playing fewer games either through fewer tables, using spinwiz with a small sitlist or both is going to make more $ a game. If you supplement your volume with HUSNG or 30s for example you can have much better results than what are being seen on that list which is almost exclusively 6+ tabling RB grinders who almost exclusively manually register. Also, not to insult anyone, but few if any of the 'better regs' are on that list.

Spins variance is huge, everyone playing them knows that. The odds of having a losing year post rakeback for any decent winner is much lower than in large field MTTs though for example, with the odds of having a great year at least as likely. At this point in spins good regs are going to be easily having 100k+ years at 60s and above.

You can use spinwiz to guarantee a set of nonspinwiz user games however often while manually regging the rest of the time if your goal is high volume. Especially if you're able to mix stakes.

Guys we've done this before, then Bighusla did his challenge and everyone realised how profitable these games are without big multipliers. Rakeback grinders have always had very small winrates, that's not new information. Yea the games are getting tougher but it's not a 'no money spinning' situation just yet.

Absolutely. It's definitely possible to have $4+ a game (post rakeback) in EV at 60s without slacking on volume. It's obviously not easy or everyone would do it.

The bet was about EVroi% not profitability, yes Bighusla made good money on his bet, but he could have easily made way less, for example he is down pre RB over his last 5-6k sample (at 60s). There are countless good regs at 60$ with EV roi close to 5% but are still down over significant big samples.

Again I know these games can be beaten for good $ and EVroi, but the difference with actual $ earned (variance) can be extremely big, and is often bigger than any other SNG formats.

The good thing about data tracking the spin n go games is that we get a better idea about the variance possible, for me personally it was kind of shocking, variance is bigger than expected, and I think bigger than most players would expect.

It wont stop me from playing them, and in a way the huge variance might be a good thing, to get the weaker/mental fish regs out of the game and more recreational players in.

''Hope for the best, prepare for the worst.'' is a good quote to live by, grinding these games

this $ graph is basically not saying anything. way too much variance with multipliers and everything. even in EV theres huge variance. i have 7k games on spinlyzer with my EV being 15-20 chips lower than my overall stats, just because it started tracking in my worst streak.

No, I would not look at "most games" leaderboards if I wanted to know who has made the most money, I would look at "most money" boards.

Many times the people that make the most money in MTTs/HUSNGs/whatever, are not also the people that play the most.

Of course, I'm sure some guys that play the most also make the most money, but I don't see why someone would reference a most games leaderboard to make any sort of argument about a ceiling of profit in any game.

Glad that it seems we are finally making progress here. The bolded part - I most definitely have sit list enabled (always double check it when I start). I don't currently use friend list, but "sit others" is definitely not enabled, which leaves being unlucky.

However I really don't see why luck should play any part of it. You are in a queue, there is certain order and more important expected waiting time. Can't see a single reason why sitting marked guys should be random. Absolutely obvious choice for me is the guy who is closest to open sitting to sit his target (while others behind him in the queue wait). Alternative is what Dave said - who is longest in the queue to sit the guy (most of the time this will be equal to the first suggestion). This way the queue in theory will also move a bit faster - always 2 guys in front of you get their tables (with some of the tables containing both guys, so loading faster). Seems absurd to rely on luck to sit someone, when we can use the simple first come first serve basis.

Other spinwiz users are welcome to chime in with opinions on how to determine who sits someone.

Edit: I am getting the feeling that a lot of spinwiz users actually for one reason or another are afraid to speak publicly about the software. This is either too much fear of certain sharky story repeating or half the community is connected somehow with the spinwiz project and there are possibly some feelings to get hurt.

+1 to randomness being a poor decider of who sits the guy.

I think being closest to the person you have marked in the queue is the best way to do it, because we can assume that this person would have been there longest anyway. This should stop any extra variance to the games in the guise of being "unlucky" with another RNG that decides if you get games quicker or not.

well, you are pretty new to spins, those of us who play several months+ gave up on it a long time ago and accepted that it is and always will be lacking/glitchy.

Manu reg ftw Kobmish :P

Well, first one in that list just shipped 300k.

Inb4 Rampage says Stars read his comment and rigged it in favour of flesske.

Also inb4 Rampage realises he can charge people to get them 3600x's.

well it wont make sense to look at ''most money'' boards since that would be mostly people who won the 3000x mutliplier or 200x multipliers.

yeah thats sick, the guy who played biggest amount of games just won 300k,
congrats to flesske !!, he deserved it most i guess

Sorry I used a poor choice of words. I'd use the same things the HUSNG divisions use, EV.

So a guy just running hot isn't used as the "realistic" example (it's more pronounced in Spins due to jackpots).

That's a little presumptuous.

There are 30+ people in a dedicated chat constantly helping improve the software. Nobody is tip toeing around, but the programmer took to a skype improvement chat over a dedicated thread bc of all the sidetracked arguments and discussion that had nothing to do with finding out what users want out of the software and how to improve it.

This is the complete opposite of a "sharky story" repeating.

I'd shoot Mox Eax a PM to get into that chat and see some of the improvements that users are suggesting that are being added (and many have been added in the last month already).

where is that list from?

would like to start with spins also and would like to buy husla pack for that. anyone here who has it?

pm me

I never said that "sharky story" might be repeating, Ryan. I said that some might still remember it and fear something similar, not that it will actually happen. In fact a few hours ago I said that this is extremely unlikely to happen in a private chat. Don't see what's presumptuous about that.

I fail to understand how a public thread for this will be so bad however. There were some ******ed discussions in the past, someone whining why this is allowed etc, but this can be more or less moderated imo and it stops after some time. Then in the thread usually remain relatively useful suggestions and sometimes questions. Don't think that checking a thread will take that much more time than following relatively large skype group chat. Guess this is none of my business indeed, so whatever.

What I don't find serious is someone telling me when software I have paid for, ends up wasting my time - "guess you've been extremely unlucky".

If you look at the previous thread it was a ****-show. Guys come from other games with no real interest in playing spins and talk about cartels and all sorts of things that are not relevant but need responses.

And if I delete those posts then there's a storm over how I'm being unfair and all sorts of things like that.

Perhaps a support/improvements thread can be made and then moderates purely to support/improvements, I can talk to the programmer about doing that, but that skype chat has been working really well for improvements. The people that were posting ideas in different group chats and on forums and sending in emails are all in one spot, posting ideas and things are ran by them before changes are made.... it seems to be resulting in a lot of progress.