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02-19-2012 , 07:57 AM
making 40 BB stack is a bad idea to me. Smaller blinds just steal time from you, the real game starts from 20-25bb. Same to 6max SNG's : first two blind levels is just stealing of time, not much action, folding close to 80% is correct play. That's why i don't play turbo HU, only HyperTurbo, small blinds annoy me , it's better to play 2 Hyperturbos then 1 turbo.
My suggestion for improvement:
- rematching at same tournament table(that has just finished). It will save time ( 2-3 sec to open new table + 15 sec before it starts = waisting 17 seconds). There is no need anymore to wait this 15 secs, since the player is already "connected" to this table = no risks to be in sit out when tournament starts. Plus you can look into whole hand history with this opponent, not just hands that were played in last tourney.
- "add another table w this opponent" button
- deleting "blind up" announcements. Come on, we can see the blinds with our eyes, there is no need to inform us about it )) It's just waisting precious time ))
Thanks for listening us, PS team, your software is already the best and i hope it will become better and better ! Good luck !
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02-19-2012 , 08:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Drooler
I agree don't change he structure just add 2 more minutes to each level.
No, making the games slower isn't a great idea. The current speed is suitable to keep recreational players very happy whilst regs are able to beat the game. Also the number of games/hr is pretty high which means more rake for stars and more games for regs. Increasing game length just means you'd have to wait longer for games to run, you'd get in less games/hr and recreational players might be less inclined to play more games because of the extra time. So basically it's the right balance between gambling and being beatable to keep everyone happy.

Those who suggest that it's a good idea probably struggle to beat the current game or have vested interests.
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02-19-2012 , 08:38 AM
ill say it clear, if there is no consensus and a bunch of people saying "+1 this" doubt they will consider any change.. why would u change something already working if people disagree. Its time to present some idea and push it ?

I think the things that every1 pretty much agree are:
- Chop button
- More promotion to husngs. (In form of leaderboards, promos, isildur blabla)
- 1-3sec delay (or whatever time stars consider optimal) when you reg a empty lobby for next player to join to prevent players who dont want to play eachother from regging together.

I really see these are the only changes which are reliable/good chance to be taken into account by stars and everyone agree yes? now lets push it
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02-19-2012 , 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by emotionx
ill say it clear, if there is no consensus and a bunch of people saying "+1 this" doubt they will consider any change.. why would u change something already working if people disagree. Its time to present some idea and push it ?

I think the things that every1 pretty much agree are:
- Chop button
- More promotion to husngs. (In form of leaderboards, promos, isildur blabla)
- 1-3sec delay (or whatever time stars consider optimal) when you reg a empty lobby for next player to join to prevent players who dont want to play eachother from regging together.

I really see these are the only changes which are reliable/good chance to be taken into account by stars and everyone agree yes? now lets push it
i think first two are nobrainer but the 3rd idea with the delay is of course a good one for us Regs but a bad one for PS. they will loose like half the games running ^^

but i must promote the "[ ] take next empty lobby when sitting second" idea again. We should def push for that because it helps everyone (regs and stars).
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02-19-2012 , 09:04 AM
I have one more point for the lobby discussion.

I think most agreed that unlimited isnt a good solution...

now there is the idea to make some more lobbies - like 5-6 or so. but what would that really mean? would it end the need to grind the lobbies? would it end the same sitting problem? i dont think so. instead of 2 always filled lobbies (where u have to "grind" the lobbies to get the next empty one as soon as it opens. and with the same-time-sit-prob) there would be 6 always filled lobbies. The problems would be the same...
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02-19-2012 , 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by att
but i must promote the "[ ] take next empty lobby when sitting second" idea again. We should def push for that because it helps everyone (regs and stars).
at the moment a bunch of regs just click "register to any" and snap click when a lobby fills so that they get the next empty lobby. if there's an option to "take next empty lobby after sitting second" you're likely going to just get seated with one of these regs. also could be a problem with the 1-3 second delay thing, don't know how it would work when 3 regs snap click "register to any" when the new lobby hasn't even had time to generate yet.

but yeh, more promotion, add table and chop button seem clear winners atm.
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02-19-2012 , 09:16 AM
Grab new lobby if you sit second would be amazing. Its 8 am and i havent given it too much thought but off the top of my head I can see a ton of positives for everyone without one negative. Might be missing something but def think this idea would be huge.
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02-19-2012 , 09:19 AM
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Originally Posted by vzhong
+1
+1
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02-19-2012 , 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by emotionx
ill say it clear, if there is no consensus and a bunch of people saying "+1 this" doubt they will consider any change.. why would u change something already working if people disagree. Its time to present some idea and push it ?

I think the things that every1 pretty much agree are:
- Chop button
- More promotion to husngs. (In form of leaderboards, promos, isildur blabla)
- 1-3sec delay (or whatever time stars consider optimal) when you reg a empty lobby for next player to join to prevent players who dont want to play eachother from regging together.

I really see these are the only changes which are reliable/good chance to be taken into account by stars and everyone agree yes? now lets push it
+1
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02-19-2012 , 09:21 AM
Plz don´t change the structure and don´t add any minutes to the levels.

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No, making the games slower isn't a great idea. The current speed is suitable to keep recreational players very happy whilst regs are able to beat the game. Also the number of games/hr is pretty high which means more rake for stars and more games for regs. Increasing game length just means you'd have to wait longer for games to run, you'd get in less games/hr and recreational players might be less inclined to play more games because of the extra time. So basically it's the right balance between gambling and being beatable to keep everyone happy.
+1
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02-19-2012 , 10:05 AM
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Originally Posted by Fu1977
Plz don´t change the structure and don´t add any minutes to the levels.



+1
+2 fishes love fast games, dont change it!!!!
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02-19-2012 , 10:37 AM
Being a reg/turbo speed player I'd love to see a few more lobbies. Not unlimited but 2-4 lobbies. It gives everyone more choice. Firstly I'm a casual albeit winning player at the 60 dollar level and I get sick of seeing the same dude always sitting in the lobby. Sometimes I'll play him just to get some action but I'd much rather see 4 or 5 regs sitting so I have at least a choice of who I want to play at my game/my stake. I'm sure many regular players - fish and winners alike must feel the same to some extent. I can only say it does put me off and often I go and play 6 max or something instead rather then waiting 10 mins so I can jump in an empty lobby or just play the same dude yet again. So noone thinks the one lobby thing in fact stifles HUSNG on stars? Would love to see a trial with more tables anyway. Also a poll on some of these issues makes sense to me
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02-19-2012 , 11:27 AM
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Originally Posted by kingkong32
+2 fishes love fast games, dont change it!!!!
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02-19-2012 , 11:29 AM
When people dc, please have them sit out after some time like you guys use to so I can blind them down faster
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02-19-2012 , 12:09 PM
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Originally Posted by TakeHerOnACruise
No, making the games slower isn't a great idea. The current speed is suitable to keep recreational players very happy whilst regs are able to beat the game. Also the number of games/hr is pretty high which means more rake for stars and more games for regs. Increasing game length just means you'd have to wait longer for games to run, you'd get in less games/hr and recreational players might be less inclined to play more games because of the extra time. So basically it's the right balance between gambling and being beatable to keep everyone happy.

Those who suggest that it's a good idea probably struggle to beat the current game or have vested interests.
+1

lol wtf don't fix something which is working absolutely fine
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02-19-2012 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Chumplestultz
at the moment a bunch of regs just click "register to any" and snap click when a lobby fills so that they get the next empty lobby. if there's an option to "take next empty lobby after sitting second" you're likely going to just get seated with one of these regs. also could be a problem with the 1-3 second delay thing, don't know how it would work when 3 regs snap click "register to any" when the new lobby hasn't even had time to generate yet.

but yeh, more promotion, add table and chop button seem clear winners atm.
I'm sure some software tweak can solve this. For example, when one player grabs the next lobby, and you insta click join next lobby it blocks you if another player used the "take next empty lobby" option.

Without this problem then the above solution would encourage more regwars and actually give the better regs incentive to police the lobbies.
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02-19-2012 , 12:16 PM
lol hux. i totally agree though

I'm for 4 lobbies at Turbos/hypers (not sure about reg speeds). At least it's a compromise and CERTAINLY wont ruin the games.

Im shocked that people who are against more lobbies aren't factoring in the wait time just to SIT a lobby. Obviously once youve sat the only lobby your wait time is shorter with just 1-2, but sometimes you can wait 5+ min then others sneak in before you when it finally opens. This is ridiculous, annoying, frustrating, tilting, and agree that lobby regging shouldnt be a main poker skill.

Also I find it EASIER to reg hunt with more lobbies. When weak reg declines me, they disappear for 10 min minimum since there are no lobbies to sit. With more lobbies, we can track them down much faster and start games faster!! It's too easy for bumhunters to sneak around with these 1 lobby ghost towns!

Also love ATT idea to add checkbox for regging next open lobby when sitting someone in current lobby. You should have first dibs obv
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02-19-2012 , 01:08 PM
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Originally Posted by IheardJoeblows
When people dc, please have them sit out after some time like you guys use to so I can blind them down faster
Yeah this is a good idea. Quite frequently guys will disconnect, they get the grace of their time bank + their disconnect time + an additional 15-20 seconds EVERY hand after this point. So you're sat there like a mug waiting for them and their failing internet for like 3-5mins which is a bit excessive.
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02-19-2012 , 01:21 PM
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Originally Posted by TakeHerOnACruise
Yeah this is a good idea. Quite frequently guys will disconnect, they get the grace of their time bank + their disconnect time + an additional 15-20 seconds EVERY hand after this point. So you're sat there like a mug waiting for them and their failing internet for like 3-5mins which is a bit excessive.
I remember once I was playing deepstack, the guy disconnects and I'm sitting there for half an hour and only finished the game faster because he came back after that.

I'd still like if disconnected players have at least like 1 minute before people are able to blind them down as against a sitting out opponent.
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02-19-2012 , 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Siriusz
I remember once I was playing deepstack, the guy disconnects and I'm sitting there for half an hour and only finished the game faster because he came back after that.

I'd still like if disconnected players have at least like 1 minute before people are able to blind them down as against a sitting out opponent.
Yeah exactly, like if they d/c then it's only fair you get a bit of time to restore your connection but once that time has expired the opponent shouldn't have to wait for like 20+ seconds every single hand. It takes a long time to finish a game when this happens and really drags/ruins the fun of a game.

Also the software is becoming increasingly laggy and slow. This increases the number of same time sits and also quite frequently the games will lag/freeze when launching so you will be in 'sitting out' when the game starts. So you'll miss the first hand or sometimes even a large portion of the match if the software is having a difficult night. I've had games pop up like 2-3 mins after I've been sat leaving me with hardly any chips or half a stack and so on. This is obviously very frustrating.

It also makes playing very frustrating and almost unfeasible at times because all of the functions are lagging so badly. The cards are taking ages to display, the animations are freezing, the lobbies are freezing/lagging.

Last edited by TakeHerOnACruise; 02-19-2012 at 02:02 PM.
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02-19-2012 , 02:45 PM
^ +1
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02-19-2012 , 03:00 PM
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Originally Posted by TakeHerOnACruise
Yeah this is a good idea. Quite frequently guys will disconnect, they get the grace of their time bank + their disconnect time + an additional 15-20 seconds EVERY hand after this point. So you're sat there like a mug waiting for them and their failing internet for like 3-5mins which is a bit excessive.
come on why? I think everybody can experience internet problems. Even though I use backup connection and rarely have problems, i still think people shouln't be in a "sit out" mode after being disconnected
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02-19-2012 , 03:14 PM
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Originally Posted by pavels4444
come on why? I think everybody can experience internet problems. Even though I use backup connection and rarely have problems, i still think people shouln't be in a "sit out" mode after being disconnected
If you play deepstack and the guy disconnects you're going to kill yourself before you actually get to end the game. I'd rather give my buy in to the disconnected opponent than having to wait 30+ minutes trying to blind him down.

Obv on hypers that's not really a huge deal even though it's still annoying, but for regspeeds/deepstacks it sucks a lot. I think 1 minute is fair enough for anyone who has a backup connection or had some minor issue with the connection, and if that isn't the case then oh well, I don't really like the idea of being at the mercy of someone's ****ty connection.

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Also the software is becoming increasingly laggy and slow. This increases the number of same time sits and also quite frequently the games will lag/freeze when launching so you will be in 'sitting out' when the game starts. So you'll miss the first hand or sometimes even a large portion of the match if the software is having a difficult night. I've had games pop up like 2-3 mins after I've been sat leaving me with hardly any chips or half a stack and so on. This is obviously very frustrating.

It also makes playing very frustrating and almost unfeasible at times because all of the functions are lagging so badly. The cards are taking ages to display, the animations are freezing, the lobbies are freezing/lagging.
I thought my ****ty connection was the one to blame but I prob should start questioning that after reading this.
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02-19-2012 , 04:44 PM
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Originally Posted by emotionx
ill say it clear, if there is no consensus and a bunch of people saying "+1 this" doubt they will consider any change.. why would u change something already working if people disagree. Its time to present some idea and push it ?

I think the things that every1 pretty much agree are:
- Chop button
- More promotion to husngs. (In form of leaderboards, promos, isildur blabla)
- 1-3sec delay (or whatever time stars consider optimal) when you reg a empty lobby for next player to join to prevent players who dont want to play eachother from regging together.

I really see these are the only changes which are reliable/good chance to be taken into account by stars and everyone agree yes? now lets push it
+1 For focusing more on changes everyone supports.

Last edited by bighusla; 02-19-2012 at 04:54 PM.
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02-19-2012 , 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by braminc
lol hux. i totally agree though

I'm for 4 lobbies at Turbos/hypers (not sure about reg speeds). At least it's a compromise and CERTAINLY wont ruin the games.

Im shocked that people who are against more lobbies aren't factoring in the wait time just to SIT a lobby. Obviously once youve sat the only lobby your wait time is shorter with just 1-2, but sometimes you can wait 5+ min then others sneak in before you when it finally opens. This is ridiculous, annoying, frustrating, tilting, and agree that lobby regging shouldnt be a main poker skill.

Also I find it EASIER to reg hunt with more lobbies. When weak reg declines me, they disappear for 10 min minimum since there are no lobbies to sit. With more lobbies, we can track them down much faster and start games faster!! It's too easy for bumhunters to sneak around with these 1 lobby ghost towns!
-1

Please do not change the lobby system at all PokerStars clearly not everyone wants this.
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