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02-06-2016 , 12:11 PM
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Is the common readless strategy still to start min-raising 100% of hands in lower stakes hypers (where your unknown opponent likely isn't a reg)?

In other words, when readless:

1) Do you min-raise hands like KJo and QJs that can't call a 3bet shove, to not miss out on value from hands that will flat?

2) Do you min-raise hands like 76s that can call a 3x iso, to not miss out on preflop fold equity?

3) Do you min-raise trash like 42o?
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02-06-2016 , 05:07 PM
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No, no, no

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02-06-2016 , 10:34 PM
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Originally Posted by obbudsman
Is the common readless strategy still to start min-raising 100% of hands in lower stakes hypers (where your unknown opponent likely isn't a reg)?

In other words, when readless:

1) Do you min-raise hands like KJo and QJs that can't call a 3bet shove, to not miss out on value from hands that will flat?

2) Do you min-raise hands like 76s that can call a 3x iso, to not miss out on preflop fold equity?

3) Do you min-raise trash like 42o?
It's unlikely that 100% mr is optimal vs anyone, even vs a rec who folds way too much.

1) The less someone 3 bets the better these hands become to mr for value.

2) I'm more likely to mr worse suited hands that benefit more from the fold equity and aren't happy to call an iso.

3) If villain is folding way, way too much then you can turn a lot of the bottom of your limping range into mraises. Almost always better to just limp or fold these hands though.
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02-07-2016 , 05:22 AM
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It's unlikely that 100% mr is optimal vs anyone, even vs a rec who folds way too much.

1) The less someone 3 bets the better these hands become to mr for value.

2) I'm more likely to mr worse suited hands that benefit more from the fold equity and aren't happy to call an iso.

3) If villain is folding way, way too much then you can turn a lot of the bottom of your limping range into mraises. Almost always better to just limp or fold these hands though.
These are all adjustments to reads. What I meant is how to play 1) 2) and 3) the first hand of a hyper vs a complete unknown. Ofc, I will adjust after a few reads. Do you think it's fine to min-raise them all before you have any read?
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02-07-2016 , 07:03 AM
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These are all adjustments to reads. What I meant is how to play 1) 2) and 3) the first hand of a hyper vs a complete unknown. Ofc, I will adjust after a few reads. Do you think it's fine to min-raise them all before you have any read?
You're never actually readless. First hand of the match you're playing against the population. If you know how to adjust each of these hands in response to specific reads then think about the average tendencies of the people in your playerpool and adjust based on those "reads"
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02-07-2016 , 07:07 AM
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You're never actually readless. First hand of the match you're playing against the population. If you know how to adjust each of these hands in response to specific reads then think about the average tendencies of the people in your playerpool and adjust based on those "reads"
Well, actually my question is how to play these hands vs population tendencies in $7-15 hypers.
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02-07-2016 , 07:48 AM
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Mix it up without strong reads. Weighted the correct way. That is all I have to say.
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02-07-2016 , 08:14 PM
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These are all adjustments to reads. What I meant is how to play 1) 2) and 3) the first hand of a hyper vs a complete unknown. Ofc, I will adjust after a few reads. Do you think it's fine to min-raise them all before you have any read?
None of my answers are necessarily adjustments to reads. The first one maybe seems that way but I'm just telling you how to adjust to what you've noticed about the population. I'm not familiar with how people currently play at those stakes. I would assume you should mr them for value exploitatively but there's a chance a lot of villains are 3 bet shoving 100% of their Ax or something.

2 and 3 I said straight up to limp them but noted that mring can be an option.
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02-08-2016 , 05:07 AM
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None of my answers are necessarily adjustments to reads. The first one maybe seems that way but I'm just telling you how to adjust to what you've noticed about the population. I'm not familiar with how people currently play at those stakes. I would assume you should mr them for value exploitatively but there's a chance a lot of villains are 3 bet shoving 100% of their Ax or something.

2 and 3 I said straight up to limp them but noted that mring can be an option.
Ok thanks, kinda misinterpret your first reply.

Anyone who knows about the $7-15 hyper 3bet shove population tendencies for 25BB? Is the 3bet shove % high enough to make limping hands like KJo better than min-raising them readless at the start of a match?
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